Why I Became Muslim, Left Islam, and Came Back to Islam

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by Abdul-Haqq

At around age 12, I asked myself, “What if I die right now? What will happen to me? Where will I go?” This was the defining moment in my life that caused me to begin my religious search.

So, what happens after death? I read what various religions had to say. The classical Catholic Popes said that there is Heaven for Saintly Catholics and those who did their sentence in Purgatory. There is purgatory for Catholic sinners. There was limbo for babies who were not baptized. Last, the Catholic Popes wrote that there was hell, which was for all people who are not part of the Catholic Church and for those Catholics who were guilty of heresy or major sins. Then, at the 2nd Vatican Council that all changed. Limbo disappeared. Purgatory may or may not exist. Good non-Catholics who were ignorant of the Catholic faith were now allowed access to Heaven. The fact that these beliefs change demonstrate that they are unreliable. Either limbo or purgatory existed or they never existed. If they did not exist, then what happened to all of the souls that were supposedly there?

I read the writings of the Evangelical Christians and Protestants that stated that if one believes in the Trinity, Christ’s Vicarious Blood Atonement, and Christ’s Resurrection, they will automatically go to heaven no matter what bad they did. On the flip side, if one does not believe in the Trinity or the Crucifixion and Resurrection, one is going to hell no matter what good they did.

Many Muslims made similar claims. They claimed that if anyone has learned about the true Islam and does not become a Muslim, he/she will burn in hell forever no matter what good they did while on earth and that Muslims no matter what bad they did on earth will eventually go to heaven even if they have to go to hell first. Buddhists and some Jews taught that one will either go to heaven or hell or be reborn either as a human or another life form in order to make up for the wrong he/she did in a previous life. Atheists taught that this life is it and when you die nothing happens. You cease to exist.

Hell and Purgatory were described as places where one is burned with fire constantly and at times frozen. It is a place where one experiences the most excruciating and endless pain and suffering both physically and mentally and one experiences the painful extremes of extreme heat and extreme cold. I thought to myself, “If there is such a place, I don’t want to go there.” And, if the Catholics are right, I don’t not want to be Catholic; if the Christians are right I don’t not want to be Christian; and if the Muslims are right, I don’t not want to be Muslim. If none of them are right, what did I lose by studying them to see? Nothing – so, by studying the religions to see if any are right, I have everything to gain and nothing to lose, but if one of them is right and I don’t take time to study to discern, then I risk losing everything in the afterlife if I go to Hell. It made perfect sense to me.

So, this began my study of religion and my search for truth. I started by reading the Bible. Over a period of time, I would read almost every word of the whole Bible from beginning to end and took notes. I wrote almost everything the Bible said about God, the Messiah, Jesus, women, and every commandment and law in the Old and New Testament as well as other things. Since I read these before learning Christian doctrine, I was able to be honest and objective. When most religious people read the Bible, they are reading through their doctrines and looking to prove them, while ignoring everything that goes against their doctrine. They are not trying to find the truth, but convince themselves that they are right. What these people say is that they are reading the book with the “Holy Spirit.” The problem is that each Christian religion claims to have the “Holy Spirit” that leads them to the truth, despite their different interpretations, religious beliefs, and religious practices. Luckily, I had learned few religious doctrines before reading the book, so I could read the book and find out the truth without trying to justify what I already think.

By reading the Christian Bible, I learned the following:

  1. There is only one God who loves and hates, is all powerful, all-knowing, cannot be seen, cannot change, is different from everything we can see, alone and has no partners, never gets tired, is ever-living, is independent and free of any needs, is not a man, cannot be tempted, and will come near to you if you come near to Him.
  2. Only God is to be worshipped and the greatest sin a human being can do is to worship anything or anyone besides Him or making an image of God. Doing so is worse than murder and will bring God’s punishment to you either in this life or the next life.
  3. Jesus was God’s messenger, prophet, servant, and one of those whom God gave the title “His Son.” (like Adam, the angels, Israel, Ephraim, and the righteous)
  4. Jesus taught people how to avoid Hell and go to Heaven. Certain actions, such as murder, adultery, homosexuality, idol worship, pre-marital sex, practicing witchcraft, fight, hatred, prejudice, jealousy, greed, stealing and getting drunk will cause one to go to Hell.
  5. Men who are not priests can marry as many women as they want.
  6. Women are not allowed to be priests, reverends, or ministers and are not allowed to hold any position where they have authority over men.
  7. One should have as few material possessions as possible and feeding the poor is an obligation.
  8. One cannot have faith if one is not doing good works.
  9. Everything that happens has been destined by God.
  10. Women cannot wear gold, pearls, expensive dresses, fancy hair styles, or Expensive jewelry.
  11. Women are not allowed to teach.
  12. God has given permission to marry anyone from any race or culture and condemns and punishes those who oppose interracial and intercultural marriage.

(Bear in mind, my understanding of the Biblical stance on women does not reflect my own personal view.)

All these things were clearly stated in the scriptures. It is not my interpretation. Anyone who can read on a 5th – 7th grade level can find them. I will quote some of the verses below, so you can see for yourself.

(God said,) “I will not let you see my face because no one can see me and stay alive.” (Exodus 33:20)

“No one has ever seen Him (God). No one can ever see Him (God).” (1 Timothy 6:16)

“No one has ever seen God.” (1 John 4:12)

“There is no one like the Lord, our God.” (Psalms 113:5)

“How great you are Sovereign Lord! There is none like You. We have always known that You are the one true God.” (2 Samuel 7:22)

“No one is holy like our Lord. There is none like Him.” (1 Samuel 2:2)

“He (God) never changes. No one can oppose Him or stop Him from doing what He wants to do.” (Job 23:13)

“Every good gift and every perfect present comes down from Heaven; it comes down from God, the Creator of Heavenly Lights, who does not change…” (James 1:17)

“God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should repent” (Numbers 23:19)

“Everything that happens in this world happens at the time God chooses. He sets the time for birth and the time for death.” (Ecclesiastes 3:1-2)

“God in His grace chose me before I was born and called me to serve Him.” (Galatians 1:15)

“God cannot be tempted by evil.” (James 1:13)

“The Israelites ate the food and worshipped the god Baal of Peor. So the Lord was angry with them and said to Moses, ‘Take all of the leaders of Israel and in obedience to Me execute them in broad daylight and then I will no longer be angry with the people.” (Numbers 25:2-4)

“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing loving kindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.” (Exodus 20:2-6)

“So watch yourselves carefully, since you did not see any form on the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb from the midst of the fire, so that you do not act corruptly and make a graven image for yourselves in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the sky, the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water below the earth.” (Deuteronomy 4:15-18)

“Then the sons of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD and served the Baals, and they forsook the LORD, the God of their fathers, who had brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods from among the gods of the peoples who were around them, and bowed themselves down to them; thus they provoked the LORD to anger. So they forsook the LORD and served Baal and the Ashtaroth. The anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and He gave them into the hands of plunderers who plundered them; and He sold them into the hands of their enemies around them, so that they could no longer stand before their enemies. Wherever they went, the hand of the LORD was against them for evil, as the LORD had spoken and as the LORD had sworn to them, so that they were severely distressed. Then the LORD raised up judges who delivered them from the hands of those who plundered them. Yet they did not listen to their judges, for they played the harlot after other gods and bowed themselves down to them. They turned aside quickly from the way in which their fathers had walked in obeying the commandments of the LORD; they did not do as their fathers. (Judges 2:11-17)

“So as I live,’ declares the Lord GOD, ’surely, because you have defiled My sanctuary with all your detestable idols and with all your abominations, therefore I will also withdraw, and My eye will have no pity and I will not spare. One third of you will die by plague or be consumed by famine among you, one third will fall by the sword around you, and one third I will scatter to every wind, and I will unsheathe a sword behind them.: (Ezekiel 5:11-12)

“And the crowds said, ‘This is the prophet Jesus of Nazareth of Galilee.” (Matthew 21:11)

“Jesus left that place and went back to his hometown followed by his disciples. On the Sabbath, he began to teach in the synagogue. Many people were there and when they heard him they were amazed. ‘Where did he get all this?’ they asked. ‘What wisdom is this that has been given to him? How does he perform miracles? Isn’t he the carpenter, the son of Mary, and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas, and Simon? Aren’t his sisters living here?’ And so they rejected him. Jesus said to them, ‘Prophets are respected everywhere except in their own hometown and except by their relatives and their family.” (Mark 6:1-4)

Acts 3:13 states, “The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our ancestors has glorified his servant Jesus…”

In Acts 4:27, Peter and John made a prayer to God and stated in that prayer, “…For in this city, in fact, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed…”

Luke 13:32-33 states, “He (Jesus) replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will drive out demons and heal people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’ In any case, I must keep going today and tomorrow and the next day–for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!”

Luke 24:20 states, “”About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people.”

John 6:14 states, “After the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus did, they began to say, “Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world.”

John 17:3 states, “And this is eternal life – that they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”

Jesus was referred to as the son of God, but so were others throughout the Bible.

“In the dawn of the day, the stars sang together and the sons of God (the angels) sang for joy.” (Job 38:7)

“…Adam the son of God.” (Luke 3:38)

“You must tell them that I, the Lord say, ‘Israel is my first-born son.” (Exodus 4:22)

“I am like a father to Israel. Ephraim is my oldest son.” (Jeremiah 31:9)

“I am ascending to my Father and your Father, my God and your God.” (John 20:17)

“Those who are led by God’s spirit are God’s children.” (Romans 8:14)

“When the day came for the sons of God (the angels) to appear, Satan was amongst them.” (Job 1:6)

“When the day came for the sons of God (the angels) to appear again, Satan was amongst them.” (Job 2:1)

As we can see Jesus, Adam, the angels, Israel, Ephraim, and all men who follow God’s spirit believe in Jesus, love and make peace and does what is right are God’s sons. In the Aramaic language, the language of Jesus, the term son of God was used for any person who was good and the people use it today. In English when someone dies, some say, he kicked the bucket. In Jesus’ language (Aramaic) when a person was very good and religious, he was called the son of God.

“Go in through the narrow gate for the gate to Hell is wide and the road that leads to it is easy, and there are many who travel it. But the gate to life (Heaven) is narrow and the way that leads to it is hard, and there are few people who find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14)

“Surely, you know that the wicked will not possess God’s kingdom (Heaven). Do not fool yourselves: people who are immoral or who worship idols or adulterers or homosexual perverts or who steal or are greedy or get drunk or slander others or are thieves – none of them will possess God’s kingdom.” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

“What human nature does is quite plain. It shows itself in immoral, filthy, and indecent actions; in worship of idols and witchcraft. People become enemies and they fight; they become jealous, angry, and ambitious. They separate into parties and groups; they are envious, get drunk, have orgies, and do other things like these. I warn you now as I have before. Those who do these things will not possess the Kingdom of God (i.e. go to Heaven).” (Galatians 5:19-21)

“Once a young man came to Jesus. ‘Good master,’ he asked, ‘what must I do to receive eternal life?’ ‘Why do you call me good?’ answered Jesus. ‘There is only one who is good; the Lord, our God. Keep the commandments if you want to enter eternal life.’ ‘What commandments?’ he asked. Jesus answered, ‘Do not commit murder. Do not commit adultery. Do not steal. Do not accuse anyone falsely. Respect your father and mother and love your neighbor as you love yourself.’ ‘I have obeyed all these commandments’ replied the young man. ‘What else do I need to do?’ Jesus said to him, ‘There is still one more thing you need to do. Go sell all you have and give the money to the poor, and you will have riches in heaven; then, come follow me.’ When the young man heard this, he went away sad because he was very rich. Then, Jesus said ‘I assure you it is very hard for rich people to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. I repeat: it is easier for the camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.’” (Matthew 19:16-24; Luke 18:18-25)

“I (Jesus) tell you, then, that you will be able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven only if you are more faithful than the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees in doing what God requires.” (Matthew 5:20)

“(Jesus said) Do not store up riches for yourself here on earth, where moths and rust destroy and robbers break in and steal. In stead, store up riches for yourself in Heaven where moths and rust do not destroy and robbers do not break in and steal. For your heart will always be where your riches are.” (Matthew 6:19-22)

“You cannot be a slave to two masters. You will hate one and love the other; you will serve one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.” (Matthew 6:24)

According to the Bible, men who aren’t priests or ministers can have as many wives as they want. Rulers of nations were discouraged from having too many wives because it would interfere with the great responsibilities, one will have as a ruler. There are even rules on who can be a co-wife and who cannot. According to the Bible, the six greatest prophets are Jesus, John the Baptist, Moses, Abraham, Jacob, and Noah. God blessed Abraham and Jacob by giving them many wives who would grant them many children and make them a great nation. David who was considered the greatest of worldly kings appointed by God has an exorbitant amount of wives. Solomon who was considered the wisest man on earth had seven hundred wives and three hundred concubines. There is even evidence according to some Christian scholars that the Virgin Mary was one of Joseph’s many wives. As a matter of fact, there is not one verse that specifically says that a man cannot have more than one wife, but there are many verses that say a man can. Many Europeans changed Christianity to suit their culture, so some began to take verses out of context to say that one can and break the rules of scriptural interpretation when it suited them. (In other words, they were hypocrites who worshipped their desire and not God.) According to the rules of scriptural interpretation in order for something to be a sin, there has to be a clear verse of the Bible (that has no other interpretation) that specifically says it is a sin. In the absence of such a verse, an action is considered permissible by God.

However, there were some limits to polygyny. For example, one cannot marry or have sex with any of his father’s wives. In Leviticus 18:7-8, it says that God stated, “Do not disgrace your father by having sex with your mother. Do not disgrace your mother. Do not disgrace your father by having sex with any of his other wives.” In Leviticus 20:11, there is a prescribed punishment for this action: “A man who has intercourse with one of his father’s wives disgraces his father, and both he and the woman shall be put to death.”
“God wants everything to be done peacefully and in order. When God’s people meet in church, the women must not be allowed to speak. They must keep quiet and listen, as the Law of Moses teaches. If there is something they want to know, they can ask their husbands when they get home. It is disgraceful for women to speak in church. (1 Corinthians 14:33-35)
“I (St. Paul) would like for women to wear modest and sensible clothes. They should not have fancy hairdos, or wear expensive clothes, or put on jewelry made of gold or pearls. Women who claim to love God should do helpful things for others, and they should learn by being quiet and paying attention. They should be silent and not be allowed to teach or to tell men what to do. After all, Adam was created before Eve, and the man Adam wasn’t the one who was fooled. It was the woman Eve who was completely fooled and sinned. But women will be saved by having children, if they stay faithful, loving, holy, and modest.” (1 Timothy 2:9-15)
“What [is] the profit, my brethren, if faith, any one may speak of having, and works he may not have? Is that faith able to save him? And if a brother or sister may be naked, and may be destitute of the daily food, and any one of you may say to them, `Depart ye in peace, be warmed, and be filled,’ and may not give to them the things needful for the body, what [is] the profit? So also the faith, if it may not have works, is dead by itself. But say may some one, Thou hast faith, and I have works, shew me thy faith out of thy works, and I will shew thee out of my works my faith: thou — thou dost believe that God is one; thou dost well, and the demons believe, and they shudder! And dost thou wish to know, O vain man, that the faith apart from the works is dead? Abraham our father — was not he declared righteous out of works, having brought up Isaac his son upon the altar? Dost thou see that the faith was working with his works, and out of the works the faith was perfected? And fulfilled was the Writing that is saying, `And Abraham did believe God, and it was reckoned to him — to righteousness;’ and, `Friend of God’ he was called. Ye see, then, that out of works is man declared righteous, and not out of faith only; and in like manner also Rahab the harlot — was she not out of works declared righteous, having received the messengers, and by another way having sent forth? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also the faith apart from the works is dead.” (James 2:14-26)
Some say God loves them. I wondered how they would know since the Bible says God loves and hates. How do they know that they do not fall under the category of people that God hates? According to the Bible, God loves those who love Him and keep His commands, obey His commandments, do good deeds, do what is right (according to what the scripture says is right), hate evil, are just, and stand up for justice. Many of the people who say, “God loves me” do not even know God’s commandments never mind obey them.” The Bible also says that God hates men who wear women’s clothing and women who wear men’s clothing, people who do evil, those who cheat other people in business, wrongdoing, the arrogant, wicked, violent, and deceitful people, liars, murderers, and people who stir up trouble between friends, condemning the innocent and letting the wicked people go, oppression and crime, and idols. Many people like to talk about how God is forgiving and the Bible says He is, but it also says that He is also a punishing God. In the Old Testament it says that He punishes people with disease, plague, famine, war, natural disasters, and genocide for people’s sins. In the New Testament, it says that God is going to burn sinners in Hell for their sins.

In Numbers 12, Moses (AS) married a black woman and Aaron and Miriam were opposed to his interracial/intercultural marriage. God called Moses, Aaron, and Miriam into the tent and God reprimanded Aaron and Miriam for opposing Moses’ interracial/intercultural marriage and punished Miriam by giving her leprosy on the spot, which she had to endure for seven days.

After I studied the Bible, I began to search for a Christian religion that believed in and practiced all of its teachings. What I found surprised me. I found that most churches taught that in order to go to Heaven, one has to believe that Jesus is God. The Unitarians didn’t, but they rejected the concept of destiny as well as many of the New Testament Laws. Many taught that one is saved not by following the commandments, but by believing that Jesus died on the cross for your sins and was resurrected and anyone who does not believe that would be eternally condemned to Hell forever. Many churches had women ministers. With the exception of the Mormons, the Nestorians, and Christians in parts of the Middle East and Africa, polygyny was banned in Christian churches. Even the Mormons did it wrong since their leaders had the most wives. The Catholic Church went as far as having Michelangelo paint a supposed image of God on the Sistine Chapel and offering prayers to Mary and various saints some of whom never existed (i.e. St. Christopher). Many churches taught that one does not need to do good works to be saved as long as one has faith. Churches all throughout the U.S. had been segregated. People wore their best clothes to church; many preachers were wealthy; and many churches (not the Quakers) showed partiality to the rich despite the commands of Jesus and James.

Many Christians tried to argue that believing that Jesus is God is a must for salvation. Besides all the verses that said he was a prophet and a messiah, there is not one verse that says he is God, but the Bible is filled with proofs that he wasn’t. In fact, the only way one could believe that Jesus was God was if they were taught the doctrine before reading the scriptures and one had no understanding of theology.

Mark 13:32 states that Jesus (AS) said, “No one knows when the Day of Hour (Day of Judgment) will come-neither the angels in heaven, nor the son (i.e. Jesus); only the Father (God) knows.” The Bible says that God is all-knowing and that Jesus does not know the answer to a question. Therefore, Jesus cannot be God.

Luke 2:52 states that Jesus (AS) increased in wisdom and years, while God is supposed to be without a beginning and the one who knows everything. If God already possesses all knowledge and wisdom and Jesus (AS) gained knowledge, than Jesus (AS) cannot be God.

Matthew 4:1 states that Jesus (AS) was tempted by the devil, while James 1:13 states that God cannot be tempted. Therefore, if God cannot be tempted and Jesus (AS) was tempted than Jesus (AS) cannot be God.

John 5:19 states, “Very truly, I tell you, the son can do nothing by himself, but only what he sees the Father doing.” If God is all-powerful and Jesus (AS) says that he cannot do anything by himself, then he is saying that he is not all-powerful and if he is not all-powerful, than he cannot be God.

John 5:30 states “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just, because I seek to do not my own will, but the will of Him who sent me.” If God is one, then He has to have only one will. If Jesus (AS) has a separate will from God, then he cannot be God.

John 8:28 states, “I do nothing on my own, but I say only what God has instructed me to say.” See also John 12:49-50.

John 14:28 states, “If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father because the Father is greater than I.” God cannot be greater than Himself and if God is greater than Jesus (AS) then Jesus (AS) cannot be God.”

John 20:17, “And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” If Jesus (AS) were God, then why would he call someone else the only true God? The word only means that no one else besides Him can be God.

Hebrews 5:7 states “…Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to the one who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.” If God is the only one who can save one from death and Jesus (AS) could not save him self from death, than he cannot be God. Also, if God is ever-living, then he cannot die.

If Jesus died, then he cannot be God because God is ever-living and also if He is controlling everything and He dies, then who is going to control the world?

If God is the only one who can bring the dead back to life; then if God dies, who can bring Him back to life?

If Jesus was a weak, helpless baby, then he was not all-powerful. If God is all-powerful, than Jesus (AS) cannot be God. If Jesus (AS) was inside the womb of Mary (AS) and was dependent on her menstrual blood and food to survive, then he was dependent and therefore cannot be God because God is independent. Likewise, if he needed food, sleep, and water, then he cannot be God because God has no wants or needs.

Christian priests and ministers have ready made answers. Everything is a mystery and is beyond human comprehension. What is a mystery is that Jesus did not believe he was God. His disciples did not believe he was God. The Bible proves that he wasn’t God. And good old-fashioned common sense proves that he wasn’t God, yet people still believe it and say that one must believe it in order to go to Heaven and if one doesn’t then he is going to Hell. It is like this. Let’s say, you were with someone and they shot someone right in front of your face and told you that in order for you to go to Heaven, you have to believe that he didn’t shoot that person and if you believe that he shot that person, then you are going to Hell. You would think that person is crazy, untrustworthy, a trickster, et cetera. So, my question is this: Is God trying to trick you by showing you something that is as simple as 1+1=2 and then telling you that you cannot believe what He is showing you or He is going to punish you eternally in Hell? The Bible says that God is not the author of confusion. Either God is confusing us or this teaching isn’t from God.

Some Christians use the verse in John 10:30 that state “the Father and I are one.” There are two reasons that this verse is easily be refuted. First, if one begins reading from John 10:23, it becomes clear that the context the verses are written in mean that they are one in purpose and not in entity. Second, in John 17:20-22, Jesus (AS) mentions that his followers may all be one as Jesus and God are one. Using the same method, we would have to say that either all Jesus’ followers are God too or are all one person, so these do not add up. One cannot apply the meaning to one and not the other.

Some Christians use John 14:8-9 to prove that Jesus (AS) is God, but if one reads John 6:46 and 1 John 4:12, one will understand the context of this verse. Those who use this verse as a proof are violating the rules of scriptural interpretation in order to suit what they desire to believe.

Next, I was taught that the Bible is God’s word and since God is all-knowing and incapable of making a mistake, then the Bible cannot have mistakes in it. Yet, the Bible is filled with scientific errors. For example, the Bible states that humans have only existed for 6,000 years; all humans and animals except for Noah and those with him were destroyed in 2200 B.C.; plants existed before the sun; languages were created in an instant when humans tried to build a tower to look at God; the fourth human being was a farmer; rabbits chew their food; all animals were originally herbivores; plants did not evolve; all animals are afraid of humans; and in 2400 B.C., there was only one language on earth. All of this we know for a fact is wrong, so this information could not have come from God. Therefore, the Bible must be the words of fallible men and not an infallible God.

I remember talking to a Catholic priest who told me that the modern belief is that the Bible is not the literal word of God. The Catholic belief is that God inspired the writers of the Old Testament to prove that Jesus would come as THE Messiah or Christ and the whole Old Testament exists for that purpose. That viewpoint could have made sense, but there were several things wrong with that view. I eventually put my research into an article on how different religions view Jesus. Below is an excerpt of my article on Jesus in traditional Judaism.

  1. According to Isaiah chapter seven, the messiah would come when the Jews were being ruled and persecuted by the Assyrians (Iraqis). However, at the time of Jesus (AS), the Assyrians (Iraqis) were not ruling or persecuting the Jews. The Jews were under Roman occupation.
  2. According to Isaiah chapter eleven, the Messiah would come when Israel was being occupied by non-Jews. He would then gather the Jews from the ends of the earth to unite and fight wars against what would today be the Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians, Iraqis, and Egyptians. The Israelis would defeat these nations in a war and bring peace to those who survived the war. Many Christians believe that Jesus (AS) will accomplish these things when he returns to this earth. This is also part of the reason that some Jews reject the state of Israel today because they believe that the state of Israel is not supposed to exist until the messiah comes.
  3. According to Jeremiah chapter thirty-three, when the messiah comes, his descendants will rule forever and the Levite priests will always offer burnt offerings for the people of Israel from that point on. The messiah and the Levites will also have so many children that they will not be able to be counted. Well, once again, Jesus (AS) did not have any children and the Levite priests are not offering burnt animals as sacrifices to God in the Christian Church.
  4. According to Ezekiel chapter thirty-seven, the Jews will be brought back to Israel when the messiah comes and he will rule in the land of Israel. The dead Jews will be resurrected to live in the land of Israel forever and the other nations will know that the Jews are God’s chosen people. None of these events happened at the time of Jesus (AS).
  5. In addition, the book of Deuteronomy 21:22-23 states that anyone who is hanged on a tree or cross has been cursed by God. Therefore, the Jews cannot believe that Jesus (AS) was a messiah (Christ), or even a true prophet. If Jesus (AS) was hanged on the cross, then this would be a sign that he was a liar and a criminal who received God’s curse. St. Paul explains this contradiction in the New Testament by stating that Jesus Christ (AS) became a curse for us. This explanation works for a Christian who already believes that Jesus (AS) is the messiah (Christ), but it does not make sense to the Jews because they believe that God told them directly in the Old Testament that anyone who hangs on a cross has been cursed by God. It makes more sense to believe what God told you directly than believe a man who claims to bring a new message.
  6. One final point does not necessarily state why the Jews rejected Jesus (AS) as the messiah (Christ), but can further explain why the Jews rejected the teaching that Jesus (AS) was the son of God and God was a trinity-or one God in three persons: the father, Jesus the son, and the Holy Spirit. In the Old Testament, especially in the Book of Deuteronomy, it is stated that God told the Jewish people that if anyone comes to them with a God that they do not know that they should reject that person and consider them a liar. There are so many verses discussing this throughout the Old Testament. The God that they knew as described in the Old Testament was one without any partners, literal sons, daughters, and was not a human being. Some Christians came with a God that was three persons and one of them was his human son. This was considered an unforgivable sin according to the Jews. The Christians argue that the three-person God was the same God, but was not recognized by the Jews because they do not have the Holy Spirit.

Another problem I had with the Bible was that the writers of the Gospels used verses of the Old Testament totally out of context in order to prove their belief of Jesus just like many Muslims do to prove their belief in Muhammad. The New Testament authors used verses of the Old Testament that had nothing to do with the life of Jesus (AS) to pretend that they were predictions of the coming of Jesus (AS). For example, the Gospel of Matthew 2:15 states “Out of Egypt I called my son” from Hosea 11:1 as a prediction of Jesus (AS) returning to Palestine after fleeing to Egypt. However, if one turns to Hosea 11:1, he/she will find that this is not a prediction at all. Hosea 11:1 is talking about how the Israelis came out of Egypt and then began worshipping the false god Baal. Also, in the Gospel of Matthew 27:9-10, the author quotes Zechariah 11:12-13 as a prediction of the burial of Judas, but if one turns to chapter eleven of Zechariah, one would find that these verses have nothing to do with Judas. Even in the Old Testament, there are predictions, which never came true, such as those in chapters 11-12 of the Book of Daniel.

When the truth is evident to people and it is too painful for them to accept, many say one of three things: “That is just your interpretation;” “everything is subject to interpretation;” or the quintessential religious answer, “you are not reading the book with the Holy Spirit.” First, I would say that there is a difference between an interpretation and an explanation. If there is a contradiction between one verse and another, one would resort to explaining the reason for the difference. One could have a general meaning without all of the specific details and the other could provide a detail that the other verse left out. One verse could have a different historical and cultural context than the other. Some one who seeks an explanation is using a method to try and seek the truth and try and understand what the text means. There are rules to explaining a text. Below, I explain the rules.

Before one can interpret a passage, he/she must know the context that the verse or verses are written in. He/she must identify the environment and setting that the passage is written in. One must also identify who is speaking or doing the action, what is he/she talking about or doing, why is he/she saying something or doing it, when is this happening, where is this happening, and how is it happening. Identifying the context is necessary to understand most passages.

One must approach the text objectively. One should throw everything that they previously believed out. When one is reading, one has to be trying to find the truth of what it means; he/she CANNOT be trying to verify what they desire to do. One must be willing to try and find the truth and submit to that truth. This is probably the most important rule in interpreting a passage.

The next most important rule is understanding that certain principles that are necessary to know when interpreting. If one is going to interpret a passage on a topic, he/she must include every verse/passage on that topic. The best interpreter of a Biblical verse is another Biblical verse. “For example, in John 15:7 Jesus says, ‘…ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.’ Does that mean that you can ask anything at all from God and He will give it to you? The answer is no! The Bible has much more to teach about prayer than just one statement, such as asking according to God’s will (1 John 5:14) and asking with the right motivation (James 4:3). These scriptures and more just be considered when evaluating this subject.” (Arthur p. 61-62) Next, verses that are dealing with doctrine and law will always be literal. Literal verses take priority. Any other verse has to be understood within the context of a literal verse. One cannot say that a literal verse is incorrect because of something an allegory or any other type of figurative language says. For example, according to the literal verses of the Bible, homosexuality is a major sin. One cannot take any allegories or figurative verses to prove that homosexuality is an acceptable behavior. The only verse that would be able to cancel out a verse on homosexuality would be another verse dealing specifically with the topic of homosexuality and since there is none, the ruling stands that homosexuality is a major sin. Also, a law can be cancelled if a later passage cancels it out. For example, if something is said to be unlawful in the Old Testament, but later on a gospel or Epistle says that it is lawful, than it is lawful. If something is said to be lawful in the Old Testament and the gospels, but unlawful in the Epistles, than it is unlawful.

It is also very important for one to take a couple of weeks or months and learn how to read the Aramaic language. Get an Aramaic-English dictionary and read the Bible in the language of Jesus (AS). Contact the Aramaic Bible Society and try to learn the figurative uses of languages, such as the idioms used at the time of Jesus Christ (AS). Read any of George Lamsa’s books, such as Gospel Light and Old Testament Light. If you understand the language of Jesus Christ (AS), you will understand what is meant. For example, if someone translated an English passage that said that John kicked the bucket into Chinese, the person who read the Chinese passage will not know that John kicked the bucket meant that John died. He will think that John literally kicked the bucket. Likewise, there are passages of the Bible that Jesus (AS) stated that have a meaning in Jesus’ (AS) language that do not mean the same thing in English and unless you familiarize yourself with Aramaic, you will never really know what Jesus (AS) meant. It also helps to get Bible commentaries, so that you will know the history and geography where the passages that you are reading occurred. You also need to familiarize yourself with all of the different literary types that exist in the Bible and their purpose and meaning.
There are idioms, allegories, symbols, history, prophecies, parables, proverbs, metaphors, as well as many other types of literary styles. Each has a purpose. One needs to learn their purposes. It also helps to try and study the Bible by topic. For example, let’s say that you want to know what the Bible says about God, you can read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and list all that the Bible says about God.

On the other hand, what many people call interpretation is just people trying to use the Bible to fulfill and justify one’s desires. They have a belief or a viewpoint they are trying to verify or prove. Therefore, they pick all of the verses that support what they want to believe and refuse to acknowledge or discuss the verses that contradict their beliefs. They are not searching for truth – they just want their whims satiated.

As far as reading with the spirit, which Christian sect has it? How do they know that they are right? How do you know that the conclusions that you came up with were not guided by the spirit (just because they contradict the doctrines of your Church, they’re not guided by the spirit)?

Also, I have challenged those who say that I am interpreting things and taking things out of context to sit down and show me the context and show me the correct interpretation. Needless to say, they refused to take up that challenge.

Another problem that I had with many Christian churches is that some say “We are free thinkers; we are liberal – we don’t believe in those rules anymore.” Some say that they can’t be applied in our time. My problems are the following. First, why would you believe in the doctrines and not the rules? If you believe the doctrine is from God, then how could you not believe the rules are from God? If you don’t believe they are from God, then how could you believe in any of it? Based on what do you accept or reject? Some believe in some of the rules and not others. Well, which rules do you believe in? Why? Why would you reject the other rules? Based on what are you accepting or rejecting them? Who decides which rules to believe in and which not to? How do they decide? Grant it, these same people are incapable of answering any of the questions. The reality is that many of them are hypocrites and liars who worship their own desires and nothing else.

With the Catholics, I saw that they worshipped and prayed to angels, saints, and the Virgin Mary despite the fact that God said this was totally forbidden in the Bible and one of the worst sins a human being could commit. According to the Bible, doing this was worse than murder. Likewise, the first commandment also said that one will not make an image of God. Yet, the Pope hired Michelangelo to paint an image of God on the Sistine Chapel. Again, this was one of the worst sins that God punished people over and over again for throughout the Bible by sending wars, natural disasters, plagues, and famines for doing this and yet the Pope is commanding this. They even went as far as forging a verse of the Bible sometime in the 4th or 5th century, placing it in the Bible, and lied at an “infallible” council that John wrote this verse in his manuscript that was divinely inspired. In the 20th century, it was discovered that this verse was a fraud and had to be removed from the Bible. If you read 1 John 5:7 from an older translation and compare it with the modern translations, you will find that the verse is no longer there. The old 1 John 5:8 is now 1 John 5:7. The Church added it to try and prove the Trinity. I could not believe that an organization that openly committed and supported blasphemy, breaking God’s greatest commandment, forgery, and swearing by God and lying is really representing God and teaching you the truth from Him.

When I was in eighth grade, the movie Malcolm X came out. I had never heard of Malcolm X before and now I was told he was a Muslim. What’s a Muslim? I went to the encyclopedia and looked it up. I found out that Muslims believe in a series of prophets, such as Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad and scriptures, such as the Torah, Gospels, and the Qur’an. Who was Muhammad? What was the Qur’an about? In ninth grade, I read a biography of the Prophet Muhammad that I took out the library and went to the book store and bought an English translation of the Qur’an. I found that the Qur’an and the religion of Islam made obligatory acts that Jesus made obligatory on his followers, but Christianity didn’t, such as a mandatory poor tax due by anyone who was not poor and fasting. The five daily prayers embodied the teachings of James and John. The Qur’an taught that Jesus was born miraculously by the Virgin Mary, performed miracles by God’s permission, taught the Gospel, and was the Christ. The Qur’an said that Jesus was not God and would reject those who said he was on the Day of Judgment and that it was not possible for God to be a man.

“Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how God makes His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!” (Qur’an 5:75).

“O people of the scripture, do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary was only a messenger of Allah and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not “three.” Desist, (it is) better for you. Verily Allah is one God. Far exalted is He above having a son. His is all that is in the heavens and the Earth, and suffice in Allah as a Trustee. The Messiah will never scorn to be the slave of Allah, nor will the favored angels.” (Qur’an 4:171)

“They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.” (Qur’an 5:73)

The Qur’an taught that only God should be worshipped and prayed to. People who believe in God demonstrate their faith through their actions. The Qur’an taught that people must obey God and that the races, tribes, and nations should come together and get to know one another because God gave them each something special that the rest of the world could benefit from. The Qur’an also teaches that the Christians went astray out of a loss of religious knowledge as well as excessive praise and that the Qur’an confirms and corrects the mistakes that the followers of the previous religions made. All this made sense. Almost every Christian I knew was living a life that Jesus would be ashamed of and almost none of them knew what the Bible taught. The Qur’an did confirm many of the teachings of Jesus and the Bible that the Christians were not practicing and corrects the mistakes that they made and that I have been seeing my whole life. It also spoke how some of the Christians believe in part of the scripture and reject part of the scripture. That was something that I had seen in all Christian sects all of my life.

Contrary to popular belief, the Qur’an was nowhere near as strict on women as the Bible, but one thing I noticed about Muslims was that large numbers of them be they male or female followed the rules that were in the Qur’an and if they weren’t, they were not trying to justify their actions. They would day, “I know what I should be doing. I’m just weak now.” There was sincerity towards God amongst Muslims that I never saw amongst Christians. For the most part, Christians that I knew are always trying to get around every rule that they don’t want to follow. If you need money, there were Muslims who will never see you again, but will give you the money on the spot. There are people I barely knew or have never seen again who gave me money when I needed it. They don’t even know where to find me and probably don’t remember my name. Why? The only reason was they wanted God to reward them in the afterlife. My father still doesn’t believe this. He still believes that everyone is looking to get over on people and get something from him in this life. That is mainly because he deals with non-Muslims who talk about God as the judge, but really don’t believe it. They really do not believe they will be accountable in the afterlife and therefore they live like it. This does not mean that there are not bad Muslims, there are horrible Muslims who are racists, murderers, and untrustworthy people. However, when you meet good Muslims, there is no comparison between a group of good Muslims and a group of good non-Muslims. You will see numbers of Muslims who go to the mosque five times per day including times like 4:30 A.M. Why? They want to get closer to God and do extra good to please Him in hope that they may be rewarded in the afterlife. My father didn’t even want to hear this. It didn’t make sense to him. One of the things that makes non-Muslims uncomfortable around Muslims is because we are living proof that their excuses are not valid. One thing that you hear non-Muslims say all of the time is “I’m a good person.” This is because they judge themselves by looking at other ungodly people who are only concerned with this world. However, when they meet good Muslims, the bar is raised so much higher. They have to judge themselves against people who do things only for God and seeking rewards only in the next world. This makes them uncomfortable. How can they see themselves as good when they see others who are so much better? It is like the best basketball player at the park stepping into Duke University. He thought he was good at the park, but now that he sees people who really are good, his self-esteem is in jeopardy. Besides, good Muslims will not call themselves good because being able to recognize your own goodness proves that you’re not actually a good person. This is because real good people can see their flaws, judge themselves by a standard, and are always seeking to get rid of their flaws.

I believed I had found what I was searching for and was already to convert until I read 4:157, “The Jews said, ‘We killed Christ Jesus, the Son of Mary.’ You killed him not nor crucified him, but it was made to appear to you that you did. God raised him to Himself. Certainly, you did not kill him and those who differ therein follow nothing but conjecture and have no certain knowledge.” After reading this, I said, this book is not from God. The Bible said all of these things happened and people died for this. Now, you are saying, they didn’t. I put the book back on my shelf.

I was still lost, but one day I was watching Unsolved Mysteries and it talked about the alleged miracle of Fatima and how there were hundreds of witnesses who all reported seeing the sun dance, change colors, and surge towards the earth where it dried everything after pouring rain at the same time the little girls promised. I watched and read about other Catholic miracles, but never heard of any other religion having miracles, so I believed the Catholic religion must be the true religion of God. However, I also decided that in order to be a Catholic believer, I had to stop reading the Bible because I saw the contradictions. I joined St. Theresa’s Roman Catholic Church on Fox Road in Edison, New Jersey and would go to mass almost every week with my grandparents. I tried to follow all of the rules of the New Testament and the Catholic Church. Everything that they said I had to do in order to go to Heaven, I would do and everything I couldn’t do, I wouldn’t do, so I didn’t go to Hell. These became dry, but I had to do it because the Gospels were what gave my heart light. However, the Gospels were calling me away from Catholicism and towards believing in God and His prophet Jesus. About two weeks before I went away to college, thoughts entered my head. “Am I just behaving a certain way only to avoid Hell? Will God accept me deeds that are done without love since I don’t love Him or anyone else in the world but myself?” The week before I went to college, the priest gave a sermon on the questions I had asked in my head. During the sermon he said that if you are not doing your deeds/works out of love for God, then God will not accept them from you. There was my answer. I thought to myself if I’m not going to go to Heaven, I might as well do whatever I want and have a lot of fun on the highway to Hell.

I went off to college and decided to fulfill all of my desires. I would go to parties, get drunk, meet girls, join a fraternity, smoke weed, et cetera. There were required courses that I had to take as a history major. Two of them were nonwestern civilization and the other was a language. I saw Islamic Civilization and since I always had an interest in Islam and Middle Eastern culture, I took that course. I also said to myself, “Hey, let me see if they have the Arabic language also.” Unfortunately they didn’t and I ended up taking Italian instead. During the Islamic Civilization class, I was a non-practicing Catholic, but unlike most Catholics, I was actually a believer. A public speaker (who later became a friend) Ramazan Zuberi came in and gave a lecture called “Islam from the Bible.” During his lecture, he mentioned how Song of Solomon 5:16 mentions the Prophet Muhammad by name in its original language. That statement sparked an interest in me to investigate this matter. Although, I no longer believe that this verse or any Biblical verse have anything to do with Muhammad, I read more on it. I went to the Muslim Students Association at Montclair State University and asked them for books and literature, which they gave me. I read Muslim propaganda pieces on the topic of Muhammad in the Bible by Jamal Badawi and Ahmed Deedat. This also reignited some of the feelings I had as a ninth grader reading the Qur’an, but I tried to ignore them, but this one verse kept disturbing me. In a book of prophecies, Isaiah 29:12 stated, “the book (scripture) shall be given to he who cannot read and he shall reply, ‘I cannot read.’” In the famous story of the cave, the Angel Gabriel tried to bring the Qur’an to Muhammad and told him to read and he replied, “I cannot read.” I thought, “Could this be a prophecy? If it is, then I have to accept and follow it.” To get an answer, I called the now deceased parish priest of St. Theresa’s Father Crupi and asked him the meaning of Isaiah 29:12. He told me that it seems that it means that there will be a prophet who will be illiterate and he will respond in this manner (or something similar to that statement). I thanked him and hung up the phone and said that now I have to exert all of my energy into disproving this religion. From this point, I began a heavy study of Islam, miracles, Christianity, et cetera.

With my study of miracle stories, I found that almost every religion has miracle stories, which they use to prove their doctrines. Most of these cannot be proven, but let’s say for a minute that they exist. If they all have them, they don’t prove that any of the religions are true. The Miracles of the Lady of Fatima and the Catholic saints don’t prove that Catholicism is true any more than the miracles of Muhammad and those of the Sufi mystics prove that Islam is true or those of the Buddhist monks and Hindu Yogis prove their doctrines to be true. Catholics can also claim that their miracles are from God and those of the Muslims are of the devil and visa versa. Specifically, I learned by studying the miracles at Fatima more that there were many people who were present there who saw absolutely nothing at all. They were standing where others were and they did not see the sun dance, charge towards the earth, or change colors. Their clothes did not become dry. The solar observatory in the area didn’t see or record anything unusual. If it happened, wouldn’t everybody have seen? These people’s stories were not told on Unsolved Mysteries or other shows however. One last thing was that I noticed that the messages that were allegedly given to people by the Virgin Mary throughout the world conflicted with the Bible and encouraged people to worship Mary instead of God.

Also, through my studies of Christianity, I discovered that no one knows who wrote the Gospels or the Epistles of the New Testament. The Gospel of Matthew was ascribed to Matthew as that was the custom of his time (the same things with the Gospel and Epistles of John, Peter, and James). Many Christians state that one has to believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sin and rose from the dead in order to go to Heaven and the reason one has to believe this is because these books in the Bible said so. So, let me get this straight in order for me not to go to Hell, I have to believe that something happened that there is no proof ever happened because someone (and no one knows who that someone is) said so. If I don’t believe an anonymous source who we know nothing about, then God is going to punish me in Hell forever. This doesn’t even begin to make sense. If we were in court and I said someone is guilty of murder because someone told me that someone else said so and they don’t even know who that someone is, I’d be laughed out of court.

Next, through my studies of Christianity and its history, I discovered that there were many versions of Christianity in the early days. Some followed Jewish Law; some didn’t. Some believed that Jesus died on the cross and some didn’t. Some believed that Jesus was God and some didn’t. Some believed the Kingdom of Heaven as spoken of by Jesus is in the next world, while others believed it was in this world and in one’s heart. All these different types of Christianity existed and many had their own Gospels and Epistles. After the Council of Nicea, the Catholics took hold of Christianity and joined with the Roman Empire. Next, they persecuted other Christian sects and burned some of their books. They also chose the Gospels and Epistles that are part of today’s New Testament. Two of the major books that were considered canonical by many Christians today were excluded from the text: The Shepherd of Hermas (with its staunch monotheism, reading it would oppose the idea that Jesus was God) and Apocalypse of Peter, which taught that Jesus was not crucified, but it was made to appear to the people as if he was. This clarified the verse of the Qur’an that was the obstacle to me becoming Muslim when I was in 9th grade.

I also read Muslim propaganda literature that I bought for a time being. I read the alleged prophecies of Muhammad in the Bible, the Hindu Scriptures, and the Zoroastrian Scriptures. I also read the alleged scientific miracles of the Qur’an and believed them. These propaganda pieces along with all of the evidence from the Bible and the Qur’an discussed earlier convinced me that I should become Muslim, so during the first week of May in 1998 (on a Friday after Friday prayer), brother Atif Johnson gave me my Shahada at Masjid an-Noor (now known as Masjid Ansar-us-Sunnah) on Washington Street in Paterson, New Jersey.

I pursued an intensive study of Islam beginning with books. I never read so much in my life. I read book after book after book after book…I was a zealous convert who was trying to convince people that the Qur’an is from God and the proof of this is its scientific miracles and that Islam was the religion of the Bible and Muhammad was the prophet whose coming was predicted in the Bible.

However, I began to study each of these alleged scientific miracles closer and closer and found that they could be interpreted more than one way and other verses could be interpreted in ways that are actually scientifically inaccurate. I examined the alleged Biblical prophecies of Muhammad and found that none of them actually refer to Muhammad if read in context. I also read many ahadith (alleged statements or actions of Muhammad as reported by his companions) that made me question. I read ahadith in Bukhari and Muslim that stated the following:

  1. The first humans were 90 feet tall and have continually shrunk
  2. The sun rises and sets because it is rotating around the earth and one day the sun will rise in the West because it will be unable to rotate
  3. Gog and Magog will be let through their barrier after Jesus comes
  4. A child looks like its mother when she experiences an orgasm first
  5. Monkeys stoned a monkey for committing adultery
  6. The great war will be fought on horses and swords
  7. The nutfah, ‘alaqah, and madghah stages last 120 days
  8. Plants existed before the sun

We have found fossils that are 65,000,000 years old and still have not found a ninety foot man. We’ve found 150,000 year old human fossils.

The sun rises because the earth is rotating around the sun not because the sun is rotating around the earth.

The Wall of THul Qarnayn no longer exists (if it ever did – if the story was literal and not an allegory). The whole earth has been discovered by satellite and yet the wall is no where to be found nor are the hoards of Gog and Magog folk. Besides, nowadays, Gog and Magog could just get in an airplane and fly over it.

Children resemble their parents because of dominant and recessive genes that are transferred when a sperm is already inside the egg.

Monkeys cannot commit adultery since marriage and adultery only exists amongst humans.

Horses and swords cannot stand up against guns, tanks, bombs, nerve gas, airplanes, tanks, and missiles.

The Nutfah, ‘Alaqah, and Mudghah stages do not even last one month according to modern scientific research of Dr. Keith L. Moore and others.

Plants cannot exist without sunlight.

Salafi Imams told me that these ahadith are obligatory for a Muslim to believe in since their isnad (chain of narrators) is Sahih (all of the narrators were trustworthy, could have learned from each other, and had a reputation for never lying or openly committing a major sin). Shaykh Khalid Darwish told me that these ahadith are ahad (have only narrator) and not mutawaatir (have so man narrators in so many different places that it is near impossible for all of them to agree on a lie; i.e. nearly forty companions of the Prophets reported he did or said something). I was confused, so I read books and took classes on Usul al-Fiqh and Usul al-Hadeeth to clear up the doubts. I translated a mutawaatir hadith collection from Arabic to English as well as a book on ijma. These worked temporarily, but were unable to do the trick.

I was convinced that God cannot make a mistake and these ahadith were clearly mistakes. This left me with a few possibilities.

  1. The ahadith are not from God, but from people.
  2. The Prophet (S) gave incorrect information and therefore was not really getting his information from God.

Also, I was taught that it is obligatory to believe that every story of the Qur’an is a 100% historical fact and none are allegories and that if one does not believe this he/she is not a Muslim.

There were clear contradictions in ahadith. For example, one hadith says that Moses is in the 5th Heaven, another says he is in the 6th, and yet another says he is in the 7th. Which heaven is he in? How can one be sure? Many Muslims have ready made answers, such as “There are no contradictions in ahadith; it just appears that way because we are not scholars or there is a problem with our understanding.” Many Christians say the same thing about the Bible, but many of these same Muslims do not accept that answer from them and yet use it themselves. It is true in many cases that things we think are contradictory are actually not, but there are numerous contradictions in ahadith regardless. To this day, no one knows exactly how the Prophet Muhammad prayed the eclipse prayer despite the fact that hundreds of people witnessed it and prayed with him and there were numerous conflicting reports of how he prayed. There are also numerous contradictory ahadith. One scholar will say that hadith #1 abrogates hadith #2; another scholar will say, “No, hadith #2 abrogates hadith #1.” Yet another scholar will say there is no way to determine. In the end, we are still left with the same problem we began with in the first place.

Muslims with many ahadith (especially in the collections by Bukhari and Muslim) told me that it is obligatory to believe in something that I can see is not correct. If we look at the early generations, they did not have this attitude towards the ahadith. Imam Malik, the great jurist (as well as other jurists of Medina) would reject a sahih ahad hadith if it contradicted the practice of the people who lived in the city where the Prophet Muhammad lived because he believed that their continuous practice represents the practice of the Prophet Muhammad more than what one person said the Prophet did. Imam Abu Hanifah would reject a sahih ahad ahadith that was not famous if it contradicted an analogy of a verse of the Qur’an or it endangered public welfare. If sahih ahad ahadith were unquestionable and were what the Prophet Muhammad definitely said or did, then why would jurists such as Malik or Abu Hanifah treat them that way? One of the early schools in Islam, the Mu’tazilah taught that we cannot say with certainty that the Prophet said anything that has only been reported via an ahad hadith. Imam an-Nawawi followed them in adopting this position at times.

Bukhari, Muslim, and the other Muhaddith set criteria for judging the authenticity of the text. One of those things is even if the isnad is sahih, if the text of the hadith contradicts an established fact, then that hadith is to be rejected. Bukhari and Muslim were not scientists. Therefore, they did not know that those ahadith contradicted established facts. However, our generation has lost the spirit behind Bukhari’s work. We have become so focused on the letter of the text that we forgot the spirit of the text and thereby oppose what Bukhari was trying to do. Scholars like ad-Daraqutni and others found 200 ahadith in Bukhari that did not meet his standards. With modern knowledge, we should follow the spirit of those scholars and if a hadith contradicts established fact, we do what those scholars would have done. Accept established fact and put those ahadith in the category of fabricated ahadith with sahih texts.

Many Muslims taught that all Muslims (even the 9-11 terrorists) will go to Heaven, while all non-Muslims are destined for Hell no matter how good they were. Yet, there are verses of the Qur’an that refute both of these allegations. The Qur’an criticizes the Jews and Christians for claiming that only a member of their sect will enter Heaven. The Qur’an taught that some deeds lead to Hell no matter what your sect. The Qur’an says that if a Christian believes in God and the Day of Judgment and follows all the laws of the Gospels, he will go to Heaven and if a Jew does the same thing with the Torah. Now, if this Christian or Jew had come to the realization that Islam is the truth and God wants them to become Muslim and they still choose not to, then the Qur’an teaches that these people will go to Hell (since they are choosing not to obey God). I knew a guy who said that he believes that Islam is the truth, but he will not accept it and practice because Muhammad was an Arab. After I showed him the proof, he said this is the way he was raised and he will not change. Someone said that he will not accept because he is Irish. The Qur’an said that certain people will say these things and that their destination is Hell because they are being arrogant in front of God. But once again, we were told that if we don’t believe certain things we are not true Muslims.

Many Muslims and their shaykhs would throw around the word ijmaa’ (consensus) in order to say that one must believe in something or do something and there is no other way to think on an issue. According to most Islamic schools, once there is a consensus on an issue, no other opinion can exist on that issue. The problem here is that no school agrees on what ijmaa is and who makes up the ijmaa. For example, the Shafi’I School of Law, the Hanafi School of Law, the Maliki School of Law, and a group from among the Hanbali School of Law all believe that when all of the Mujtahids (scholars who are capable of legally interpreting a text) of one generation agree on an issue, than it is binding on all Muslims for all times. Some Hanbalis and the THahiri School of Law state that ijmaa is only possible and valid if it was during the time of the first generation after the death of Muhammad. The Ja’fari Shia School of Law states that the only ijmaa that is binding is the ijmaa of the Prophet Muhammad’s relatives. Then, Sunni scholars differ over whether the rulings of the Shia are to be taken into consideration for ijmaa. Some say no, but those who say yes have a stronger case since they argue that the Prophet Muhammad said that his followers will never agree upon an error and that the Shia, the Mu’tazilah, and other schools are still part of the Prophet’s followers even though Sunnis may not agree with them. Next, scholars disagree over when a generation ended and over whether or not certain scholars were mujtahids. As you can see, this is complex and it becomes impossible to prove that there is ijmaa on anything other than the Qur’an, its contents, and its rulings.

There was no school of Islamic Law that I agreed with 100%, so I felt I wasn’t a Muslim because I did not believe all of the things I was told I HAVE to believe by various shaykhs and books, so I left Islam for a brief period. I felt lost now and reflected on all of the spiritual experiences and determined what they mean to me. I will relate a few of the more than fifty experiences below.

  1. Someone I know of was healthy, but felt that she was about to die. She sat down and told her family that she was about to die because she had this feeling. Within a short period of time, she was dead.
  2. Someone I knew could feel when people we knew were about to die, get divorced, have a baby, getting secretly married, or were experiencing emotional problems even if they were hundreds of miles away. One of us would call to check up and the people were surprised and wondering how we knew their secrets.
  3. When one of my twin sisters was undergoing a life threatening operation, my other sister was at home for us gasping for air. Then, she took a deep breath, relaxed, and said, “Shannon is okay.” Right after, we got a phone call saying that Shannon pulled through successfully.
  4. My friend Josh used to ride his bike to the college to get in shape for baseball season. His mother grabbed him one day and said, “Do not go today (repeatedly).” He said, “Get off of me,” and left. Within a few blocks, he was hit by a car and injured only his pitching arm, ending his career.
  5. A family member of mine had a dream that another family member of mine was in a coffin in a red prom dress. She was not a near relative of his and he did not know she even had a red prom dress. Within a couple of months that dream came true. Her boyfriend murdered her and she was buried in that dress.
  6. Experiences with the jinn
  7. I was able to telepathically communicate with my wife.
  8. I was able to feel when someone wanted to physically harm me and my body reacted before my body could to neutralize the harm. I woke from my sleep to be able to defend myself.
  9. I was able to go places and feel the energy, whether it is sexual energy or just the evil or good of the place.
  10. Occasionally, I experienced telekinetic abilities as well as have other people I know of.

These are mild stories. Some stories if I told you wouldn’t believe me. Some may ask me, “If you developed those abilities, then why don’t you take James Randi up on his offer of $1,000,000 to prove it?” The reason is because for most of these experiences, they are random. I don’t have control or rarely have control over them. They just happen and they happen with people you know. They don’t happen with people you have never met.

Based on the many experiences of myself and others, I came to certain conclusions.

  1. Since my family has experienced precognition, then the future is destined. If it were not destined, then it would not be possible to know a future event before it happens.
  2. When the brain is experiencing theta waves for long-term extended periods of time, then it is possible to unlock innate abilities of the brain that are not used in a normal state of consciousness. Meditation, prayer, and chanting can put one in this altered state where we unlock abilities, such as precognition, telekinesis, mind reading, telepathic communication, feeling someone’s intention, influencing someone else’s mind, feeling when someone needs help, someone is pregnant, married, divorced, or other things in their personal life. When we develop a heart to heart connection with someone, we are more sensitive as to what is going on in his/her life.
  3. When we pray, a higher power may help us and answer our prayer. The deeper we are in prayer, the better chance we have of it getting answered.
  4. There are helpful and harmful spirits. The deeper states of consciousness we experience and the more we get into the theta-wave state, the more we will interact with this realm.
  5. When you have a firm intention to do or not to do something, a higher power will help you in whatever it is that you want to do.
  6. Spirits can, but rarely do possess human bodies.
  7. People carry an energy that is a result of their intention. If one is sensitive, he/she can feel it.
  8. A higher power can stretch the time, so that one can accomplish many things that are normally impossible within that time.
  9. There must be a creator who brought all of this into existence, has created the destinies of everything in existence, and therefore has knowledge of everything in existence.
  10. Some humans through intensive prayer and/or meditation can gain control over the spirits.
  11. Places have an energy that was created by what people have done there.

I began to become a believer (but not a practitioner) of Zen and Pure Land Buddhism as well as Shamanism. The problem was that I believed in a creator God and Buddhists believed in an impersonal God. I found that Sufis believed in all of these things just like the Buddhists and a creator God. The problem was that I could not believe in the literalist doctrines that many said one has to believe in to be a Muslim and I could not force myself to believe something I don’t. I began studying and/or restudying the works of modernist writers and scholars, such as Dr. Taha Jabir al-Alwani, Muhammad Hashim Kamali, Louay Safi, the scholars at the International Institute of Islamic Thought, Abu Yusuf Khaleel al-Corentini, Fazlur Rahman and Dr. Jeffrey Lang. I met a modernist Sufi who held modernist ideas and at the same time passed on the traditional Sufi practices named Shaykh Taner Ansari. By reading these different writers, I no longer felt alone. There were other Muslims who thought like me and they were scholars. I wasn’t the only one who thought the way I did. The way I think doesn’t make me a non-Muslim, but just an unorthodox Muslim. I reentered Islam and finally found the peace I had been searching for, for over a decade.

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  1. AD
    September 2, 2007 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Mashallah. Your story is quite moving and I am touched by your sincere effort to find the truth and your care for justice and impartial assessment. I would like to share with you that among the mainstream sunni contemporary muslim scholars, like shiek Mohammad El ghazali, made the argument you so elliquently have made about the need for muslims to evaluate the sahih hadith books for content rather than the narration. Only the Quran is guranteed to be authentic word of God and thus is error free. All true hadiths would be error free too, but how can we know they are authentic words of the prophet. No doubt, all of the hadith scholars made great job in their efforts to authenticate the narration series and the hadith content to the best of their human knowledge at their times. We too are requetsed to keep the process of meticulos filteration process of these collected traditions based on these scholars’ sound approach and use available proven scientific knowledge and the understanding of the Quran’s great message, at the same time our attitude would remain as what Abu Bakr El- Siddiq (R) has once said:
    ” if he (the prophet) indeed has said it, I belive it”. In retrospect, it shows the caliber of the crime in fabricating a hadith, deservingly earning the punishment the prophet has warned those who would do that, lie about him, unlike lies about any other person, they would be geting into hell fire.
    Please send me your e mail if you wish to discuss this further.

  2. Hasmi
    October 3, 2007 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    I’m impressed with your search for the Truth. I don’t have much else to say beside sharing this wisdom - taking from DISCOURSES OF RUMI
    (FIHI MA FIHI), May Allah shines his light on you and all of us.

    “Those who have been moved by God to see the one reality and learn Its ways through the astrolabe of their own being, behold moment by moment, flash by flash, the testament of God. Indeed, it is an infinite beauty that never leaves their mirror.”

    ” In this world everyone is preoccupied with a separate affair. One is in love with women, one is in love with wealth, another is engaged in acquiring possessions, another in acquiring knowledge. Everyone believes that their cure, their joy, their pleasure and comfort can be found in that one thing. And that is a Divine mercy, because when they search they cannot find, and so they return. After they have waited a while, they say again, “That joy and pleasure must be looked for. Perhaps I didn’t try hard enough. I will search again.” Then they look again, but still they cannot find their desire. So they continue, until that time when Truth removes Its veil. Then they know.”

    “Those who truly understand a little, understand much; of one thing, many things; of one line, whole volumes”

  3. Hj. Jauhari Bakr
    October 6, 2007 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    You have wondered a long journey, Alhamdulillah, Allah SNW has guided you back to the true path. May Allah SNW bless you and your family. Your comparative writing must have been inspired by Him to enable you yourself open up a new chapter in life.

    The truth has revealed that Mohammed, Esa( Jesus ), Abraham, Moses, Dawuud (David ) were all His messengers. He is Allah, The One. The Eternal, Absolute. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.

    Insyaallah, by His permission you will be one of the dwellers of the Paradise.

  4. Jennifer Rebecca
    May 22, 2008 at 5:08 am | Permalink

    That is the most beautiful story I’ve ever read. I am genuinely amazed by how thorough you were in your quest for truth. It humbled me. Inshallah, your salvation will be attained in your search for — and surrender to — God.

  5. sana
    October 28, 2008 at 4:59 am | Permalink

    ASSALAM ,

    BY READING YOUR STORY ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT I CAN RELATE WITH YOU ON SOME GROUND . I AM A member of a non practicing Muslim family . At a young school age I also started my search . However being a Muslim ( then only in name) I started to find the answer whether God existed or not from Quran and got very clear answer . Then I study comparative religion which further increased my faith in Islam . However like u I also could never except hadees as true guide due to its many contradictions . . Scholars who wrote Sahih books after many research only included few of the hadith and rejected thousand . May be one of the thousand was actually right while other which are included are wrong? The most authentic hadith out there is Quran itself as every word came through holy prophet (pbuh) . Muhammad (peace be upon him) never made his companions write down his own acts and sayings . He made them write only and only verses of Quran . Think about that !!

    Beside Islam would still exist if these Sahih books were never written . May be then we Muslim would have actually read Quran .( Which now very few bother .) ppl spend their lives arguing about hadiths and never actually read Quranic translation once in their life . Satan was not able to change Quran so he divided Muslims through other means .

  6. Fadi Al-Mufti
    January 28, 2009 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Assalmu alaikom, dear Brother,

    Masha’Allah! Although I do not agree with the conclusion you had arrived at, I am very impressed with your patient search for truth.

    I would like to make one small comment regarding your doubts about a “great war” that “will be fought on horses and swords”.

    Let’s take a look at warfare today: one party (like Israel) is inflicting great loss and harm on another (Palestinians of Gaza) with hundreds of non-combatants being killed or injured due to the fact that the first party is too technologically advanced and too cowardly to engage in a man-to-man combat. With this in mind, the mujahideen of the other party have to come up with modest, yet - in a way - unfair means of striking back, be it home-made rockets or the so-called suicidal attacks.

    In either case, non-combatants are getting killed or injured on either side.

    For a fair war to take place, it must be on a proper battlefield, with both parties using “primitive” weapons like swords, spears and bows and arrows. And I am among the people who believe that the final confrontation between Muslims and Jews will be of that nature (with all hi-tech weaponry becoming disfunctionate).

    Think about it this way: is there any justification for anybody, including Muslims, to use any of the following weapons: nuclear weapons, blockbusters, suicide bombings, or biological weapons?

    The answer is, of course: NO!

    A “primitive” war can ensure that children, as well as non-combatant women or elderly people are not harmed.

    Jazakumu’llahu khairan for taking the time to read my comment, wa’ssalamu alaikom wa rahmatu’llahi wa barakatuh,

    Fadi Al-Mufti

  7. Kc
    May 28, 2009 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    A lot of the things you said disproving Jesus was God were in fact wrong due to lack of understanding. It is true you need the holy spirit (God’s spirit of Knowledge) to fully understand the bible.

    One of the things I want to point out (you had so many points it’d take an equally long post to point them all out but i’ll prove a couple) is when you said the messiah was suppose to raise Jews from the dead upon his ressurection. You said that didn’t happen but that’s a lie, it did happen and was in the bible.

    Matthew 27:52-53
    52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

    53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

    To explain the trinity: The father, The Son, and the Holy spirit are one in entity. The father sits highest and from his own essence and fabric, begot (gave birth) The Son. Everything in creation was “MADE” but the son and the holy spirit were spawned from the father himself. They are all equal in entity because they are of the same holy material, but the father sits highest in AUTHORITY. So Jesus is not GOD the father, Jesus is God the SON, as the holy spirit is not the father nor the son, it is God the Spirit.

    The same way we as humans are soul, spirit, and body. I myself am a SOUL, I am not my spirit or body. My body is not my soul or spirit, my spirit is not my soul or body. But together we are ME, and my spirit and body submit to ME the soul. That is how god is. God the father is the Soul of the Godhead, his Son is the Body and the holy spirit is his “Spirit” or Knowledge/Wisdom.

    That is why in Genesis 1:26

    26And God said, Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    He did not say let me make man in my image, he said let US make man in OUR image.

    Now that you understand the trinity understand they are equal in entity by not equal in authority. Where God the father sits highest in Authority.

    This explains why Jesus says I cannot do anything of my own will, only the will of the father. Because Jesus is God the son, he has to submit to the father’s authority the same way my Body submits to my soul.

    So this doesn’t disprove Jesus is God (the son).
    So when Jesus says he is not greater than the father, he is right, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t God the son. My body isn’t greater than my soul seeing as how my soul holds all authority in what my body does. But My body is still ME.

    Other people were called the son of God and we are God’s children in the manner of adoption. The same way you would adopt a child and call him/her your own is the same way God calls us his children. But Jesus is his only Begotten Child (biological child).

    Jesus was always a part of God but was made to have his own identity and will (the son). It was then all things were created by the father through and for the son. (So this world is a image from christ the son)

    When man fell and sinned God new he would take his only begotten son and sacrafice him for the world (at the will of the son, Jesus loved us so he wanted to do it). He took the closest thing to him, perfect in essence and nature as the father, and humbled himself so much to become man.

    The reason he humbled himself to become man was so that what was perfect and infinately clean would be unclean and condemned to death for the price of sin. So that if even the Son of the father can be condemmed to death for sin and be punished, through him, we who are less than him may be saved.

    Remember Jesus never sinned so his condemnation was not his own, but was ours.

    He never came to change the old testament he came to fufill it. So when the law says you must be stoned to death for dishonoring your parents. The Law is still valid, THAT IS YOUR CONDEMNATION, but Jesus already suffered that condemnation for you on the cross, so you are excused from it so that you believe in his death and repent.

    The reason Jesus HAD to be God was that, when you sin you are offending an Infinite God. No amount of finite works and finite prayers and deeds can repair the harm done to an infinite God. So Jesus, the infinite son had to die to erase the inifinite offense caused to the infinite father. Remember when Jesus died it was his perfect sinless body that died not his entity. His entity traveled to pergatory to retrieve the saints in abrahams bosom and afterwards ascended to heaven to reclaim his position and power in the god head (reversing the humbletude he went thru to become man) as God the Son.

    A lot of his prophecies are to be fufilled in the second coming but his first coming was prophesized by most of the great prophets you all respect and know.

    Don’t forget The father called Jesus God in revaltions and ordered all the angels and all of creation to bow and worship him. Plus while Jesus was alive people would bow and worship him and he never corrected them. When people would bow and worship god’s angels they would ALWAYS correct them and say worship belongs to God. Jesus also stated if you worship me you worship the father that sent me, so if you worship the father you also worship Jesus and the Holy Spirit seeing as how they are one.

    I don’t argue Jesus is equal to the father, I know he’s not equal in authority (however he is qual in entity) But i argue Jesus is God the Son part of the trinity.

    You had a statement where you said, how can Jesus be God if he doesn’t know when the end times is coming.

    Well look at it like this, My body is incapable of sensing what Justic, love, hatred, and happiness is. Those are things to be sensed by the spirit.

    My spirit cannot sense what food taste like, that is to be sensed by the body.

    But my Soul not only can interpret both senses from the spirit and the body but in itself has it’s on sense that neither the body nor spirit can sense.

    But combined all three parts of myself can experience the WHOLE Human experience.

    So yes God the Father being in highest authority knows things the son and the holy spirit don’t know, because he is highest in authority and calls the shots. But it doesn’t mean the son and the spirit are less than him in entity, only in authority. With authority comes knowledge…The father is all knowing, the son passes judgement, and the holy spirit is the mediator and interface with creation. All together they create the All knowing eternal God, but each of them have their roles.

    There is just wayyy too much material to cover here, but if you have any further questions or need clarification, send me an email.

    You may think christianity has some unanswered questions that makes it invalid but remember, christianity is not a religion it is a relationship. All religion is going to have flaws, but a relationship can never have a flaw as long as God forgives and you Repent and stay faithful in belief of Jesus Christ the savior.

    I am not catholic or protestant or unitarian those are all religions…I am a christian meaning I have a relationship with the father the son and the holy ghost, and I read the bible. That is how God intended, that is why he made families.

    Food for thought Muslims believe the inequities of the fathers are passed down to the child. Well if you receive salvation by doing more good works than bad works, How is it possible to atone for the sins of yourself and your forefathers. If it goes both ways with good deeds AND bad deeds then you ultimately passed down, then you aren’t in control of your salvation, it is either false or left up to works of your family (forefathers) to gain salvation. If that’s the case then allowing your fathers to stray from God would mean danger for your salvation?

    Email me if you would like further discussion, clarification or healthy debate.

  8. Fadi Al-Mufti
    May 30, 2009 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    To Kc and others,

    Here are a few key words that should give you a fuller answer to your comments:

    “elahi elahi lema sebaqtani?” or “Eloi, Eloi, Lama Sabachthani”

    Bart Ehrman’s Misquoting Jesus.

    Yusuf Estes

    Dr. Jerald F. Dirks

    Salim Morgan

    Yusha Evans

    Jamaal Zarabozo

    http://www.bibleislam.com

    http://www.dirksonlinebooks.com

    http://www.thedeenshow.com

    http://www.youtubeislam.com/categories/19/Converts-to-Islam

    http://www.islamictube.net/28/Revert%20Stories

  9. Kc
    June 3, 2009 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Thank you Fadi Al-Mufti

    Eloi, Eloi, Lama Sabachthani

    My God, My God why have you forsaken.

    Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 which is a messianic prophecy/poem.
    That psalm was written before his coming to earth and yet described the situation he was in literally.

    Before his earthly death he quoted that, to point out, that the work The Father set upon him was finished. Because in the end….

    29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
    all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
    those who cannot keep themselves alive.

    30 Posterity will serve him;
    future generations will be told about the Lord.

    31 They will proclaim his righteousness
    to a people yet unborn—
    for he has done it.

    Plus you need to understand one thing, Jesus Christ was the prophet prophesied by moses as “The one whom god will give, His mouth” (John 1)

    If Jesus had the mouth of God, then everything he said was coming from God. So his mission and everything said and done was according to God’s will.

    So EVEN if Jesus Christ is not God the Son, he still is our Messiah and the only way to Heaven.

    Following the Law means you will be judged by the law. The law doesn’t give salvation for salvation by the law is self-righteousness which is sinning against god. Salvation is only given by grace and that grace is the gift of faith in our Lord Jesus.

    Not faith that he is God, faith that is the prophesied messiah that died on the cross for all our sins.

    So if God gave his prophet HIS mouth, and this prophet spoke salvation through his death, then I don’t care whether he’s God or not, the important thing to believe is that he is the only way to salvation.

    The reason we are born and die is not only because of our sins but to prove to ourselves that we are nothing of ourselves and can DO nothing of ourselves without God. To be given faith by your own works is a self righteous idea that bears false in the face of God. Only his Grace and through faith in him can you gain salvation.

    Proof Jesus is God the son: http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/jesus-is-god.htm

    A lot of Muslims get caught up in sins of christians and the false teachings of some christians and use that against christianity and Jesus. Well understand this…To negate the fact that Jesus is the messiah who died for our sins, negates the fact that he was a prophet with God’s mouth/word. So whether you want to believe he is God the Son or not you should still believe he is your messiah and non shall enter heaven unless it’s through him.

    When I pray, I pray to the father not Jesus…but I come to the father through Jesus by stating…In Jesus name I pray…

    The Qur’an, written after Jesus’ account, states Jesus and his apostles were all sinless prophets…but then it also states Jesus never ressurected which was an account witnessed by Paul, Peter, John, Matthew ect…According to the Qur’an that means they lied and if they lied they are not prophets?

    The bible doesn’t contradict itself, it requires the Holy Spirit to interpret it correctly. Which I am glad to answer any questions if anyone wants to email me questions of clarification.

    So far I have pointed out 2 contradictions of the Qur’an that has yet to be answered…
    I checked out some of your links and they fail to disprove any information…

  10. Kc
    June 3, 2009 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9RDHHpfKJw

  11. AD
    June 7, 2009 at 6:22 am | Permalink

    It is sad to see someone as sincere as Kc go through all this twisted logic and unacceptable deviation of the truth that all recognized prophets since Adam, Noah,Abraham,Ishmael,Issac,Jacob, Joseph,Moses,David, Solomon,Jesus and Muhammad all have taught “Your Lord is one”. How could they be so blinded and argue vehemently for the falsehood that such a great point would have been simply missed or hidden from all the prophets and their revelations even in their own repeatedly re-written scriptures in its current form, is mind boggling. This is the first of the ten commandments that every Christian and Jew knew and somehow create this disrespectful stories to reconcile this with the “trinity”, the worst kind of Divine pluralism turning the Divine into atheism. If the Jews knew it and Jesus came to continue the message of Moses, how could he turn that upside down in the minds of the misguided, but very sincere followers? It is devils like Paul who hijacked the Divine faith and made his corrupt new religion that appealed to the Romans mythologies and shares nothing of the Jewish or Islamic description of the same God- before and after Jesus.
    Another amazing point that in the entire bible, no mention of the trinity, although it appears now the corner stone of the current Christian faith. How could Jesus himself have missed something of that caliber and no mention of it anywhere in the bible, unless they would like to imply he did not deliver the message he was sent to deliver or did not do a good job in revealing such an important pillar in Christian faith!
    My last issue with sincere but misguided souls like Kc, is how can they in good faith and earnest humbleness to the truth, as every true believer should be a seeker of the ultimate truth, how could they reconcile what has been a major theme in all the revelations so far, in Jewish scriptures, Bibles, Psalms, Injeel or new testament and the Qur’an, even in today’s Christian’s bible, that ” no soul should bear the sins of another” and children don’t carry their fathers’ mistakes, how could they read this, believe it is Divine and is in keeping with God’s ultimate justice, at the same time they believe in the “original sin” and that everyone of Adam’s children is damned , because of Adam’s sin, that he repeated for and was forgiven, but all his children are still somehow damned unless they accept Jesus dying for them on the cross or be baptized? How could someone else pay for your sins, especially if he was one of the best and innocent creation, and still wants to teach you that “no soul should bear the sins of another’ This is quite a paradox that will take forever for Christian theologians to make these two opposites values true at the same time. It is easier and less twisted for them to submit to the eternal truth that all revelations have taught and accept responsibility for all their actions and know that none dies for our sins and no forgiveness without one himself or herself does the sincere repentance and comes clean to God. This great Divine truth has been passed the mankind and accepted as fact, and in our innate nature of fairness that no one teaches a child, growing up knowing and arguing correctly that ” this is not fair” if you punish them for anyone else’ mistakes. Unless today’s Christians would wish to imply injustice or unfairness to the Lord, may God guide us all and help the like s of Kc to see the truth and stop covering their eyes due to misdirected love of Jesus Christ, peace and blessings be upon him and all of God’s prophets,amen.

  12. Kc
    June 9, 2009 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    I’m sincere because I know the truth, and feel the truth. Is not the sins of the father the reason why a child suffers? If he divorces his wife and cheats on the family, does the child not grow up uncontrolled? Does the son not sin for not being taught the things the father should have? Does the bible not talk about curses? When a family is cursed does it not pass down the family line? I can say yes because my family experienced a family curse that was not lifted until calling upon the name of Jesus Christ.

    The trinity doesn’t mean there are 3 Gods. The trinity explains there is only 1 true God but that 1 true God is 3 persons or 3 forms of manifestations. Just like we as humans are 1 human but we have 3 manifestations (the soul, spirit, and body). God created us in his image which has the manifestations…The Soul (The Father) The Spirit (The Holy Spirit) and the Body (Christ).

    How Do We Know Jesus Is Jehovah God?

    Although the word Trinity is not in the Bible, the word Godhead is.
    Colossians 2:9.

    Here are some reasons we know Jesus is God:
    1. Jesus, the 2nd person or being in the one true God has always existed. “But thou,
    Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out
    of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings
    forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting.” KJV Micah 5:2. “Thus saith
    the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and
    I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.” Isaiah 44:6. “And, behold, I come
    quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”
    Revelation 22:12. “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the
    last.” Revelation 22:13. “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things
    in the churches.” Revelation 22:16.

    2. He created everything that exists. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
    with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1. “The same was in the beginning with God.”
    John 1:2. “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that
    was made.” John 1:3. “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld
    his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
    John 1:14. “Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? Malachi 2:10a.
    “Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the
    LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth
    abroad the earth by myself;” Isaiah 44:24. “Who is the image of the invisible God, the
    firstborn of every creature:” Colossians 1:15. Firstborn can mean the first one out of
    the womb or it can mean the one who has the right to rule. Joseph’s son Manasseh was
    the first one out of the womb but Ephraim the second son out of the womb was called
    his firstborn because Ephraim had the right to rule. Genesis 48:14,18. “… for I am a
    father to Israel, and Ephraim [is] my firstborn.” Jeremiah 31:9c. “For by him were all
    things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
    whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were
    created by him, and for him:” Colossians 1:16. “And he is before all things, and by
    him all things consist.” Colossians 1:17. “And he is the head of the body, the church:
    who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have
    the preeminence.” Colossians 1:18. “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son,
    whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;” Hebrews 1:2.
    “Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person,” Hebrews
    1:3a. “Being made so much better than the angels,” Hebrews 1:4a. “But unto the Son [he
    saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever:” Hebrews 1:8a. Read the entire first
    chapter of Hebrews and you will see time and time again that Jesus is not an angel.
    Jesus is much better than the angels. Unless otherwise noted verses are quoted from the
    King James Version (KJV).

    3. He shared the Father’s glory. Jesus prayed, “I have glorified thee on the earth:”
    John 17:4a. “And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory
    which I had with thee before the world was.” John 17:5. Here we see that Jesus
    certainly had glory with the Father. “That all [men] should honour the Son, even as
    they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which
    hath sent him.” John 5:23. Thus Jesus should be honored even as the Father is honored.
    “And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the
    beasts and the elders:” Revelation 5:11a. “Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the
    Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and
    honour, and glory, and blessing.” Revelation 5:12. “And every creature which is in
    heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all
    that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be]
    unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.” Revelation
    5:13. “And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four [and] twenty elders fell down and
    (G4352 proskyneo {bowed down or KJV) worshipped} him that liveth for ever and ever.”
    Revelation 5:14. Jesus certainly had glory with the Father before the world was. The
    Father said, “I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to
    another, neither my praise to graven images.” Isaiah 42:8. “I will not give my glory
    unto another.” Isaiah 48:11c.” However, the above verses show Jesus did have glory with
    the Father before the world was and Jesus will be honored even as the Father is honored.
    A runner or a soul winner might be honored but they will never be honored even as the
    Father is honored. That honor is reserved for Jehovah alone.

    Jesus prayed, That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee,
    that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
    John 17:21. And the G1391 doxa {glory} which thou gavest me I have given them; that
    they may be one, even as we are one: John 17:22. I believe the glory Jesus gave his
    followers was the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit enables us to get
    along together as we love one another. Jesus prayed the world would come to believe
    in him as they saw the oneness, or love and unity expressed in our actions and
    attitutes toward one another. This was fulfilled in Acts 4:32-35. It is the Holy
    Spirit in every true believer, that changes a formerly worldly, selfish person and
    enables them to become loving, forgiving, and giving from the inside out. 1 John 4:4.
    Galatians 5:22-23.

    4. Scripture identifies Jesus as God. (Isaiah 9:6 = mighty God). [(Zechariah
    12:1,10 = they shall look upon me whom they have pierced). Fulfilled in
    Revelation 1:7.] (John 5:18 = The Jews wanted to kill Jesus because he also
    said that God was his Father, making himself equal with God). [(John 8:57-59 =
    The Jews tried to stone Jesus because he said, Before Abraham was, I am.)
    They believed Jesus was claiming to be Jehovah God the "I AM" of Exodus
    3:13-14]. [(Isaiah 44:6 = Jehovah the King of Israel, and his redeemer Jehovah
    of hosts says; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is]
    no God.) Revelation 1:8,11,17-18; 22:12-13,16 = Jesus is the Alpha and Omega,
    the first and the last]. (Genesis 19:24 = Jehovah here on earth rained fire
    and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah from Jehovah in heaven). [(Isaiah 42:8 =
    Jehovah will not share his glory with another). John 17:5 = Jesus evidently
    had shared Jehovah's glory before the world was]. (1st Timothy 3:16 = God was
    manifest in the flesh). [(Isaiah 45:18,23 = Jehovah said that unto him every
    knee will bow, and every tongue shall swear). Philippians 2:10-11 says that
    every knee will bow to Jesus and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ
    [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father]. (Hebrews 1:8 = Jehovah said unto
    the Son, Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever).

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    For those desiring more information on the diety of Jesus, these four
    paragraphs will answer questions and explain some perplexing scriptures
    about the diety of Jesus. #1. Although the Father is “meizon” greater
    in position than Jesus, we find Jesus is “ison” equal with the Father
    in quality, etc. John 14:28. John 5:18. That’s comparable to the ship’s
    captain and his first officer. #2. Jesus is the “arche” beginner, or
    chief of the creation. Revelation 3:14. John 1:1-3,14. #3. Jesus is
    the “monogene” only begotten, or unique son of God, just like Isaac was
    the “monogene” unique son of Abraham, even though Ishmael was his older
    brother. John 3:16. Hebrews 11:17. #4. Jesus is called both the Son of
    God, and the Son of man. Hebrews 1:5. Hebrews 2:6-9. Why? Calling me
    the son of man identifies me as human. #4a. I believe, calling Jesus
    the son of man, also identifies Jesus as human. While I have been
    adopted as a child or son of God, I am not and will never be God. John
    1:12. #4b. However, Jesus is the unique Son of God in that He is God.
    He is the one of the Trinity or Godhead who became a human and took
    upon himself the role of a Son. Galatians 4:4. #5. In the one God there
    are three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Colossians
    2:9. There are NOT three Gods in one God. There are three persons in
    the one God. Isaiah 44:6,8. #6. The word for “one” in Deuteronomy 6:4
    and Genesis 2:24 is “echad.” Just as Adam and Eve became “echad”
    one flesh so is God one or united. John 10:30. 1st John 5:7.

    #7. Just as Jesus has always existed so has the Holy Spirit who is eternal.
    Hebrews 9:14. “Pneuma” translated Spirit can refer to the third person of
    the Godhead - the Holy Spirit, or to a human being’s spirit, or to an
    angel! Hebrews 1:7 says, And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels
    spirits”. God has many Spirits - or angels but there is only one whom the
    Bible calls the “Holy Spirit!” #8. The Bible equates lying to the Holy
    Spirit with lying to God. Acts 5:3-4. The Holy Spirit can teach, convict
    and remind. John 14:16-18,26; 15:26; 16:8,13.

    #9. When the Jews said they wanted to stone Jesus because he was claiming
    to be God, Jesus pointed out that God called the Judges gods in Psalm 82:6.
    Then he asked them, in view of that, why they were so mad at him because
    he claimed to be the Son of God. Why were the Judges, as well as Satan,
    idols, etc., called gods? John 10:33-36. The Judges were called gods
    because they had the power of life and death over people. Satan is called
    the God of this world because he is worshipped as God and because he has
    tremendous power. Likewise idols are called Gods simply because some
    people worship them as such. But none of these gods are to be worshipped.
    None of these gods have always existed. None of these gods created
    everything that exists. Only the one true God, Jehovah, did all that.
    Actually, all gods, but Jehovah, the God of the Bible, are weak, and
    false. None of them have always existed and created all things that exist.
    However, Jesus is really God and He came in the role of an obedient son.
    #10. Notice, we are to baptize in the name of, not names but name of, the
    Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. #11. See how all three were present
    at the baptism of Jesus. Matthew 3:15-17. #12. God is not physical and so
    is not limited or explained by our physical laws or reasoning. His ways
    and thoughts are far above our ways and thoughts. Isaiah 55:8-9.

    I highly recommend Walter Martins, “Kingdom of the Cults” or his tapes if
    you’d like to study this topic in more detail. His web site is
    http://www.waltermartin.com #13. In Genesis chapters
    18 and 19 notice how many times Abraham calls “the Angel of the Lord” Jehovah.
    LORD in all capital letters is “Jehovah.” Notice especially Genesis
    19:24 where Jehovah here on earth called fire down on Sodom from
    Jehovah up in heaven. Who was this visitor on earth who Abraham
    called Jehovah and who called down fire from Jehovah in heaven? It must
    have been Jesus, the 2nd person or being in the Godhead or Trinity.
    Hundreds of years later, instead of merely appearing in human form, Jesus
    actually came and lived in the womb of the virgin Mary. Although Jesus was
    conceived differently, he was just as human as we are. However, he was also
    God. He was the God - Man. Luke 1:26-35. (1st Timothy 2:5. Jesus is still
    a man!) Philippians 2:5-11.

    “If Jesus was God, who ran the universe when He was dead?” You may hear
    that question from a Jehovah”s Witness. They ask it because they think
    when one is dead they pretty much cease to exist. They believe the dead
    have no emotions, no feelings, no communication, and no thoughts. This
    idea is sometimes called soul sleep. Is it true the dead have no thoughts,
    no feelings, and no communication? Not according to several passages in
    the Bible. Lets examine some of them.

    Luke 16:19-31 contains the story Jesus told about a rich man, and a poor
    man, named Lazarus. According to Jesus, after death the rich man was
    tormented (verses 23 & 24), saw Abraham and Lazarus (verse 23), talked
    (verse 24), listened (verses 25 & 26), was concerned about his still
    living brothers (verses 27-30), was able to think or reason (verse 30).
    Notice also that Jesus said Lazarus was comforted (verse 25). Surely, one
    reason Jesus told this story was that we might know we will experience
    reward or punishment after death. If the dead cease to exist until the
    resurrection, why did Jesus emphasize the dead men felt, talked, worried,
    listened, and reasoned? Why did Jesus place this as happening before the
    resurrection, even before his resurrection? (See verses 27-31).

    In Philippians 1:23 Paul said he wanted to leave, to be with Christ. Why
    would Paul want to leave and be with Jesus if he wouldn’t be with Jesus
    until after the resurrection? If Paul wasn’t going to be with Jesus for
    a couple thousand years, he wouldn’t have even thought about being in a
    hurry to leave this earth. Philippians 1:22-26.

    Paul wrote that we should be pleased to be absent from the body but present
    with the Lord. 2nd Corinthians 5:1-10, especially verse 8.

    King Solomon wrote that the dead know nothing. Ecclesiastes 9:5 How is it
    that the dead know nothing, yet the rich man was able to worry, talk,
    think, feel, reason? Read on through verse 6, and you will see King
    Solomon was saying the dead know nothing about what is going on in this
    world, nor can they ever again participate in this world’s events. King
    Solomon believed after death a man’s spirit would return to God, for
    judgement. Ecclesiastes 12:5-7,14.

    In Matthew 22:32 Jesus quoted Exodus 3:6 where Jehovah told Moses, “I am
    the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Jesus
    added, “God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.” Notice, God
    did not say, “I will be the God of Abraham.” God said, “I am the God of
    Abraham.” That meant Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were living at the time God
    spoke to Moses even though their spirits had long ago left their bodies.
    Our spirits, and our minds will function after death, even though our
    physical brains return to dust.

    If the dead are not conscious, how were Moses and Elijah able to talk
    with Jesus about his coming death in Jerusalem? Luke 9:28-36. Remember
    while Elijah was apparently transformed without dying, Moses died on
    Mount Nebo. Deuteronomy 34:1,5. 2nd Kings 2:9-12.

    Some teach that Jesus did not physically rise from the dead. They say he
    only spiritually rose from the dead and he just materialized himself a
    physical body when he needed one after his resurrection. However, in
    John 2:18-22 Jesus said, “Destroy this temple and in three days I
    will raise it up.” The Jews wanted to know how Jesus could raise
    the temple up in only three days as the Jewish temple in Jerusalem took
    46 years to build. Verse 21 then tells us Jesus was talking about
    the temple of his body. Verse 22 goes on with then when he (Jesus)
    was raised from the dead his disciples recalled…and believed.
    Jesus made it crystal clear that he would rise up again in the temple of his
    physical body. Later, his physical body was transformed so he could go
    back to heaven. 1st Corinthians 15:50. Read the whole chapter of 1st
    Corinthians 15 to find out how important belief in the physical resurrection
    of Jesus is to Christianity.

    A series of emails brought about a change in this article. I desire to
    be as honest and true to the Hebrew and Greek Biblical texts as possible.
    It was pointed out to me, the Hebrew and Greek words translated “worship” in
    the Old and New Testament are sometimes translated by other words which do not
    mean worship. The question was raised should proskuneo be translated “worship” or
    “bow down” when it has to do with Jesus?

    The Hebrew word H7812 shachah according to Strong’s means “to bow down.” The Old
    Testament has many examples of shachah {bowing down} to 1) God 2) someone in
    authority over them 3) false gods. 4) as a means of showing respect to someone.
    Shachah in the KJV is translated worship or bow down or obeisance or reverence.
    You can study this in more detail at http://www.blueletterbible.org. It might be
    helpful to study this in the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old
    Testament, which Jesus and his apostle frequently quoted.

    The Greek word G4352 porskyneo means “to kiss the hand toward” or bow before. The
    bowing may be before 1) God 2) false gods 3) someone in authority or 4) as a means
    of showing respect to someone. The New Testament has examples of proskyneo to
    1) God the Father. 2) Jesus. 3) The antiChrist or idols. 4) An angel. Revelation
    19:10 and 22:9. Both times the angel rejected proskuneo and told the person I am
    thy fellow servant and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus, proskuneo
    {bow before or worship} God. Acts 19:10. Acts 22:9. 5) A person. In Revelation 3:9
    God said he will have those who are really of Satan’s Synagogue proskuneo {bow down
    or KJV worship} before the Philadelphia Christians. In Matthew 18:26 the desperate
    servant G4098 pipto {fell down} and G4352 proskyneo “bowed down” or KJV “worshipped”
    and asked for mercy. In this article verses will be quoted from the KJV.

    Satan told Jesus, All these things will I give thee, if G4098 pipto {thou wilt fall
    down} and G4352 proskyneo {worship} me. Matthew 4:9. Jesus replied, Get thee hence,
    Satan: for it is written, G4352 proskyneo {Thou shalt worship} the Lord thy God, and
    him only G3000 latreuo {shalt thou serve}. Matthew 4:10. Clearly, we should not in
    any way proskyneo {bow down before or worship} Satan!

    The following verses are from the Old Testament.

    And the man H6915 qadad {bowed down his head}, and H7812 shachah {worshipped} the LORD.
    Genesis 24:26.

    And I H6915 qadad {bowed down my head}, and H7812 shachah {worshipped} the LORD,.
    Genesis 24:48.

    Then H6915 qadad {they bowed their heads} and H7812 shachah {worshipped}. Exodus 4:31.

    And the people h6915 qadad {bowed the head} and H7812 shachah {worshipped}. Exodus 12:27

    And Moses made haste, and H6915 qadad {bowed his head} H776 erets {toward the earth}, and
    H7812 shachah {worshipped}. Exodus 34:8

    and he (Balaam) H6915 qadad {bowed down}, and H7812 shachah {his head and fell flat} H639
    {on his face}. Numbers 22:31.

    Genesis 33:3 Jacob H7812 shachah {bowed himself} to the ground seven times before his
    brother Esau.

    For H7812 shachah {thou shalt worship} no other god: for the LORD, whose name [is]
    Jealous, [is] a jealous God: Exodus 34:14

    Numbers 25:2 tells us it is sinful to H7812 shachah {bow down} (to idols) and Joshua
    23:16 adds that its bad H5647 abad {to serve} (idols).

    Judges 7:6 tells us the rest H3766 kara {bowed down} H1290 berek {upon their knees}
    when they drank water.

    1 Samuel 20:41 tells us David H5307 negeb {fell} H639 aph {on his face} H776 erets
    {to the ground} H7812 shachah {and bowed} three times to his good friend Jonathan.

    1 Samuel 24:8 tells us David H6915 qadad {stooped} H639 aph {with his face} h776 erets
    {to the earth} H7812 shachah {and bowed himself} toward King Saul.

    1 Samuel 25:23 tells us Abigail H5307 naphal {fell} on her face and H7812 shachah
    {bowed} before David.

    1 Samuel 28:14 records King Saul qadad {stooped} and shachad {bowed} upon the Witch of
    Endor describing the deceased prophet Samuel.

    1 Kings 1:16, 31 tells us Bathsheba qadad {bowed} shachah {and did obeisance} to king
    David.

    1 Kings 19:18 says 7000 H3766 kara {which have not bowed} H5401 nashaq {which have
    not kissed him (Baal)}.

    2 Kings 4:37 tells us the woman whose son Elisha raised from the dead H5307 naphal
    {fell} H7272 regel {at his feet} H7812 shachah {and bowed} h776 {herself to the gound}.

    1 Chronicles 21:21 says Ornan H7812 shachah {bowed} H1732 David {himself to David}
    H639 aph {with his face} H776 erets {to the ground}.

    1 Chronicles 29:20 tells us they H6915 qadad {bowed down their heads} H7812 shachah
    {and worshipped} H3068 Yehovah H4428 Melek {and the king}. Note: While King David
    received respect, he certainly did not receive Godly worship.

    2 Chronicles 7:3 says they H3766 kara {bowed} H7812 shachah {and worshipped} H3034
    Yadah {and praised} Yehovah.

    2 Chronicles 20:18 says they H5307 naphal {fell} before Yehovah H7812 shachah
    {worshipping} H3068 Yehovah.

    2 Chronicles 25:14 tells us Amaziah H7812 shachah {bowed down} H6999 Qatar {and
    burned incense} before the gods of the children of Seir.

    2 Chronicles 29:29 tells us they H3766 {bowed} H7812 shachah {and worshipped}
    (Yehovah with King Hezekiah)}.

    Nehemiah 8:6 says they H6915 Qadad {bowed} H7812 shachah {and worshipped}.

    Ester 3:2 tells us Mordecai would not H3766 kara {bow before} H7812 shachah
    {nor reverence} Haman.

    The following verses are from the New Testament.

    John 5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.
    He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

    Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast
    created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Revelation
    4:11

    Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power,
    and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
    Revelation5:12 Note: Here the Bible says Jesus is worthy to receive power,
    honor and glory.

    And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth,
    and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing,
    and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne,
    and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. Revelation 5:13 Note: The Father and
    Jesus are to receive blessing, honor, glory and power.

    And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four [and] twenty elders fell down
    and G4352 proskyneo {worshipped him} that liveth for ever and ever. Revelation
    5:14 Note: It appears the 24 elders are giving proskyneo to Jesus. Remember,
    the angel refused proskyneo from the apostle John.

    And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I
    had with thee before the world was. John 17:5

    I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to another,
    neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:8

    …and I will not give my glory unto another. Isaiah 48:11

    And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and G4098 pipto {fell down} at
    his feet, and G4352 proskyneo {worshipped} [him]. Acts 10:25. I sincerely
    doubt Cornelius worshipped Peter. I think Cornelius bowed down to show Peter
    respect. Cornelius was “[A] devout [man], and one that feared God with all
    his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.”
    Acts 10:2. Peter admonished Cornelius to not proskyneo {bow down before him}.
    But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. Acts 10:26

    And I John saw these things, and heard [them]. And when I had heard and seen,
    G4090 pipto {I fell down} G4352 proskyneo {to worship} before the feet of
    the angel which shewed me these things. Revelation 22:8. Again, I don’t
    believe the apostle John suddenly decided to proskyneo the angel with the
    honor, adoration, and respect that is reserved for God the creator. I do
    think John was bowing down to show the angel respect. However, the angel
    rejected even that. Then saith he unto me, See [thou do it] not: for I am
    thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep
    the sayings of this book: G4352 proskyneo {worship} God. Revelation 22:9

    And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
    And let all the angels of God G4352 proskyneo {KJV worship} him. Hebrews 1:6

    Time for some reflection. After studing these words in greater detail can
    you imagine a devoted Hebrew Believer abandoning his faith and worshipping
    another man like the Apostle Peter or even an Angel? I don’t believe Cornelius
    worshipped the Apostle Peter. I think he did bow down before him to show him
    respect. However, even that Peter rightly rejected. Even the angel rejected
    the Apostle John bowing down before him showing him respect. The angel
    rejected that type of reverence saying that he also was a servant of those
    who have the testimony of Jesus, proskyneo {worship} God. Revelation 19:10.

    Why did Jesus so frequently let people proskyneo {bow down before him}?
    Matthew 8:2; 9:18; 14:33; 15:25;28:9,17. The disciples and the angels didn’t
    want people to proskyneo {bow down before them} but Jesus had no problem with
    people bowing down before him. Why?

    It seems there is one type of H7812 shachah {bowing down} or G4352 proskyneo
    {bowing down} as a form of respect, and a different type of bowing down, but
    the same word, to God, the creator who gives us life and everything we have.

    It is my opinion the angels gave Jesus the proskyneo {bowing down or worship}
    reserved for God the creator and provider. Hebrews 1:6. However, I cannot
    prove that. I can show Jesus shared the Father’s glory. John 17:5. Jesus
    should be honored even as Father is honored. John 5:23. Jesus is worthy to
    receive power, strength, honor, glory, and blessing. Revelation 5:12. Jesus
    allowed Thomas to identify him as “the God of me.” John 20:28. Only Jehovah
    is to be our God.

    I think Jesus was given the proskyneo reserved for God by people, but probably
    not till after his resurrection when it became clear just who Jesus was. However,
    while I believe Jesus was worshipped or bowed down to and reverenced as God,
    creator and provider, I cannot prove it. Before, even after Jesus calmed the
    storm, the wind and the waves the disciples wondered who Jesus was that even
    the winds and the waves obeyed him. After his resurrection, when Jesus appeared
    to him in flesh, Thomas told Jesus you are the Lord of me, you are the God of me.
    That was either a statement of fact and worship or blasphemy. If Jesus was not
    God, He should have immediately corrected Thomas. But He didn’t. Jesus accepted
    Thomas’s statement. Only Jehovah is to be our God! Exodus 34:14.

    Back to the start of “Reasons You Can Trust The Bible”
    at http://www.trustbible.com

  13. Kc
    June 9, 2009 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Fadi Al-Mufti you gave us a link to bibleislam.com Which is a website glorifying the Qu’ran and it’s “truths” I went to one of the links that was set to disprove Jesus’s divinity. It had a statement where it said in greek the 2 words: Wisdom and Word are synonyms and mean the exact same thing. So that Jesus Christ being the word means he’s God’s wisdom. Then it later states this paragraph which is suppose to be some kind of effort disproving Jesus’s divinity by showing how God’s Wisdom is different from being God. Well listen to this…by the way this is from YOUR source.

    Wisdom states:

    “Wisdom praises herself, and tells of her glory in the midst of her people. In the assembly of the Most High she opens her mouth, and in the presence of his hosts she tells of her glory: ‘I came forth from the mouth of the Most High and covered the earth like a mist. I dwelt in the highest heavens, and my throne was in a pillar of a cloud. Alone I compassed the vault of heaven and traversed the depths of the abyss. Over waves of the sea, over all the earth, and over every people and nation I have held sway. Among all these I sought a resting place; in whose territory should I abide? Then the Creator of all things gave me a command, and my Creator chose the place for my tent. He said, ‘Make your dwelling in Jacob, and in Israel, receive your inheritance.’ Before the ages, in the beginning he created me, and for all the ages I shall not cease to be. In the holy tent I ministered before him, and so I was established in Zion. Thus in the beloved city he gave me a resting place, and in Jerusalem was my domain. I took root in an honored people, in the portion of the Lord his heritage.”[Sirach 24:1-12]

    I want you to pay attention to where it says: Alone I compassed the vault of heaven and traversed the depths of the abyss.

    Ok so here we see Wisdom alone traversed the depths of the abyss. That was where in the beginning when God began creating the earth it was first an Abyss.

    Now scroll over to Isaiah 44
    If you read Isaiah 44:24 it Our LORD tells us: 24Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

    So the source the muslim Fadi Al-Mufti gave us, states that the Wisdom of God “alone” (in reference to Jesus) traversed the Abyss of the Earth. And here God states that He alone, the redeemer also traversed the Abyss or spreadeth abroad the earth by myself.

    It would sound like 2 different people did these things, The Wisdom of God and God himself, for both are claiming to of done these things ALONE.

    Well YOUR source Fadi was making a reference that the Wisdom was Jesus…If you read a bit before it, the arguement was that Jesus wasn’t eternal because he came from the Father, and if he’s not eternal he cannot be God. Little did you realize that this statement was doing the opposite, and it was actually proving Jesus’s divinity.

    It’s not that two seperate people Traversed the Abyss it was God himself in the person of Jesus Christ. If you read the Bible the LORD appeared to a lot of people including Abraham as The LORD of hosts. This means he appeared in an angelic form as a man before men. The Qu’ran and Bible both tell us that no man can look upon The Father or else he may perish. Then why was everyone able to look upon The LORD of hosts. The LORD of Hosts translates into the: The Angel of God. This was the entity The Father spoke through. No Angel in heaven is capable of being the Lord’s host for all angels are capable of sin.

    Christians believe The Lord of Hosts was Jesus Christ before his incarnation on Earth. The Lord of Hosts is God but not God the father, it is God the son whom the father communicated through. The LORD of host was called Jehova and was worshipped as God the creator. No mere angel would of allowed this.

    So please brothers, don’t think we believe the trinity as there being 3 Gods…it is one true God manifesting in 3 persons. The Father sits most high and is the condemner…The Son is the Judge and Reedemer, and the Holy Spirit is the Teacher. They are all the ONE true God, but he expresses himself in three different manners because the Father is too great for anyone to fathom. Not even the angels could fathom God so he had to manifest his Spirit to teach us his ways, and manifest his Son to bring us closer to him.

    If we go back to Isaiah 44:24

    24Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

    One may argue that when the LORD (all capital LORD stands for Jehova or Allah) said: thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, you may think he was talking about Jacob. But if you replace that with the name Jacob it doesn’t make any sense. The only name that makes sense is Jesus Christ.

    24Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and Jesus Christ, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

    Jesus Christ is known as the Messiah or Reedemer, How can the father be the reedemer if he’s the one we fell from in the first place? I cannot redeem you from falling from my grace someone else has to redeem you. That redeemer is Jesus Christ, God the Son. God called him the Messiah, even if you don’t want to believe he is God you must believe that there is no way to the father but through the Son. The Qu’ran respects Jesus as a prophet, well if this prophet says he died for our sins you must believe it and accept it, that God the Father ordained it so for it is agreed he had the mouth of The Father. If you do not accept Jesus died for your sins then you will die in them. No amount of finite works and suffice as redemption to an infinite God it is foolish to believe so.

    So far all of you have argued why he’s not the Messiah or God the Son, but you have not provided biblical evidence. Show me evidence from the Qu’ran or Bible that he’s not the Messiah and as long as that evidence proves without a doubt then stop arguing and begin to believe. So far the evidence proves he is.

  14. Fadi Al-Mufti
    June 10, 2009 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Dear Mc,

    Indeed, the Qur’an describes Jesus the son of Mary (peace be upon both of them) as the Messiah.

    However, your understanding of the word “Messiah” is completely incorrect.

    Where did you get the idea that “Messiah” means “Redeemer”?

    Since you use your initials instead of your full name, I cannot possibly guess your cultural/linguistic background.

    But since I AM an Arab – a Semite, that is – I, as an Arab, and any Aramaic-speaking or Hebrew-speaking person will tell you that the word “Messiah” means the “anointed one”, i.e., the blessed one.

    It comes from the root “m-s-h” of which the word “masaha” in Arabic meaning “to wipe” / “to rub” / “to apply (something) on”.

    Another intersting thing about your discussion is that you speak to us and of us as if we regard the Bible (in its current form) as an authentic source of information.

    We don’t.

    Yes, we do believe in the Torah, Psalms, Gospel, etc.; but only in their original uncorrupted form (to which, they cannot be restored any more).

    So when we say we believe in Jesus, you shouldn’t get excited and jump up and down saying: “You believe in Jesus, right? Well, Jesus said so and so”.

    So your earlier argument that we contradict ourselves when we say that the apostles were sinless*, but deny their (alleged) testimony that Jesus was, indeed, nailed to the cross does not hold here.

    *Though we have the greatest respect for the apostles, to my knowledge there’s no where in the Qur’an where it says they were “sinless”.

    Verily, the Qur’an tells us that people saw what seemed to be Jesus being nailed to the cross, but he was neither crucified nor killed. In other words, it was meant to appear like that, but it never really happened.

    So even if we say that the various testimonies of people who thought they saw the incident happening was authentic, they only saw a miraculous illusion designed to save Jesus the son of Mary from harm.

    Another point I’d like to cover hear is the lengthy discussion you’ve come up with to use “my source” against my argument.

    In all honesty, Brother Mc, I am not and probably will never be a scholar of the Bible; so the failure – if it is a failure in the first place – is on the part of the website, not me.

    But I will tell you this: many high-ranking Christian clergymen of various denominations (Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox) who have studied the history of Christianity and the Bible have chosen to leave Christianity and embrace Islam instead.

    So it really disappoints me when you say: “I checked out some of your links and they fail to disprove any information…”, because people who are by far more knowledgeable than you have recognized the truth.

    You may say: “Well… they never really walked with Jesus” or “the Holy Spirit never really came to them”; but that’s the easy way out of the discussion.

    And, finally, before I go I’d like to stress a common ground between us Muslims and our Christian brothers and some places where we differ:

    Indeed, a small sin is big because it’s a sin against the infinite Creator of the Heavens and the Earth.

    Indeeds, without applying the guidance revealled to us, we are prone to sin; but we are not inherently sinful.

    Indeed, God is the Most Merciful and Most Loving; but not to the point where he’d sacrifice Jesus (whom we both agree is one of the most noble beings/creatures) for the scum of the Earth.

    How can that be godly? And how can that be fair?

    Indeed, our good deeds by themselves will not earn us Heaven/Paradise without the grace of the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth.

    However, unlike our Christian brothers, we as Muslims believe (because we’re told so through the Qur’an and the Prophetic traditions) that faith is what lies in the heart but that must be affirmed by our actions (both verbal or physical).

    So, as Muslims, we believe that you cannot just have faith in your doctrine and sin ad infinitum with your heart and mind at peace with the idea that “all is forgiven”.

    No. You have to work for it; and then it’s up to God to grant you his grace or deprive you of it.

    May the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth guide us all closer and closer to the truth.

    Fadi Al-Mufti

  15. Kc
    June 11, 2009 at 5:05 am | Permalink

    The first thing you said is the Messiah isn’t a reedemer but you didn’t make a point from stating that. You just defined the word but failed to make any point from it. Fadi we don’t make Jesus out to be A Messiah, he is THE Messiah which you have acknowledged. If Yeshua is The Annointed one, what do you think that means in reference to the prophecies of the Torah and Psalms?

    Isn’t to be annointed mean spiritually protected by God? So if Jesus isn’t An Annointed but THE ANNOINTED, does that not mean he is THE PROTECTION of God? The protection from sin and death?

    Lets use another defenition of Anoint: To put oil on during a religious ceremony as a sign of sanctification or consecration.

    Now lets figure out what sanctification means?\: to make holy; set apart as sacred; consecrate.

    So if you are anointed you are made Holy by God. If you are THE ANNOINTED you are The Holiness of God.
    Call him the Holiness of God, The Protection, the Purification of God…All these definitions of The Annointed all lead to some kind of spiritual cleansing that makes you right with God.

    That was and still is and forever will be Jesus’s Message. Believe in him and you will be made right with God. You don’t have to believe he’s God, you don’t have to believe Every point of the Bible (although you should) You at least need to believe he is The Messiah, The Anointed One, The Protection and Holiness of God.

    Every situation when Jesus said these things people wanted to stone him for making himself out to be God and not once did he deny it. If he was truly a prophet who was not God but simply a messenger then he would of denied these claims when accused. Since he didn’t it only means two things, He was a liar and a deciever or he was God the Son. Remember only God can forgive sins and pass judgement but he claimed to be capable of doing this.

    I don’t see how Islam can revere Jesus as The Messiah and messenger of God but does not challenge his claims of being The Deity. In challenging the claims you can only conclude two things, He is who he says he is or he’s nothing…Being a mere prophet and messenger is not enough. He had a deity above all creation that gave him the ability to forgive sins and bring you to the father. A deity that was worthy of worship which God allowed because that deity was God the Son in Human Flesh.

    The Qu’ran doesn’t even have enough information to identify who Jesus was, it doesn’t take any accounts to his teachings or words. All it accounts for is his birth and his question on the “Last Day.” If you use Jesus’s prophecy of a following counsel to be Muhammed why not also take his teachings of this prophet and incorporate them in your book?

    The Torah and Psalms also prophesied of a coming Messiah who would redeem the world. This prophecy was said to of been fufilled at a specific time and date. Only Jesus of Nazareth (Born in Bethlehem) fit EVERYTHING the prophecy described. No future messiah would accurately fit it. So either Jesus is The Messiah, and no one gets to the father without going through the son, or the Torah and Psalms are false.

    Before I go, since you believe the Torah is accurate take a look at these Torah prophecies of a coming Messiah, every last one fits the story of Jesus Christ, no other man of those times fit these qualifications and no man ever will for the prophecy dates have expired. Only Jesus fit all of them perfectly and coincedentally Jesus said he was The Messiah. If this is so then his purpose was to bear our sins and die for us. If this is so then the Qu’ran is false for saying Jesus wasn’t crucified.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claimed_Messianic_prophecies_of_Jesus

    Apart from a few narrative errors, this has most of the Old Testament or Torah Prophecies.

  16. Kc
    June 11, 2009 at 5:06 am | Permalink

    And stop Misquoting me Fadi, I never said there were 3 Gods. I’ve always said there is only 1 true God.

  17. Kc
    June 11, 2009 at 5:25 am | Permalink

    Quoting Fadi “Indeeds, without applying the guidance revealled to us, we are prone to sin; but we are not inherently sinful.

    Indeed, God is the Most Merciful and Most Loving; but not to the point where he’d sacrifice Jesus (whom we both agree is one of the most noble beings/creatures) for the scum of the Earth.

    How can that be godly? And how can that be fair?”

    We are not inherently sinful? Then what do you call Adam and Eve’s fall, please be sinless for a whole month and then tell me if you succeeded at being completely perfect for a month, then tell me we are not inherently sinful.

    God gave us independant will. Independant will means we have the ability to choose. Having the ability to choose even means having the ability to choose good or evil, in other words accepting or rejecting God himself.

    From a human’s perspective this would seem like a flaw in God’s creation, but God being perfect created a method of Atonement. Which was sacrificing His son Jesus Christ, in whom everything was made.

    That is INFINITELY Godly, but you percieve as a man that’s why you don’t understand. The Holy Spirit would reveal that it had to be done that way.

    If God had made us “perfect” in the sense that we could not sin, then we wouldn’t have independant will therefore we’d be puppets to God. But since God gave us independant will we are capable to sin/reject him.

    Since God is a God of order he also established laws to establish what is Good and Bad. Along with these laws comes rewards and consequences. Since we experience both Good and Evil, once you reject God it becomes a permenant insult because God is infinite. But by sacrificing his infinite son (humbling Him to become human and pay a price that was not his own). He made up for the (speaking as a human) the flaw of giving a creation independant will. Don’t forget Jesus wanted to be sacrificed because he loved the world. He didn’t want to suffer the sacrifice but he sure did want to be sacrificed.

    So please understand giving a creation independant will is a flaw if there was no form of redeeming. But since God made a way for ALL people to be redeemed giving us independant will, hence made for a perfect creation. Nothing can be truly perfect for perfection is God. So everything else has to be less than God or corrupt in some manner for creation to be a perfect creation.

    To be a perfect creation, since creation is not God, has to not be imperfect to be perfect in itself.
    Creation is perfect because it is not perfect. It’s called a paradox: two contradictory ideas that reveal a nonetheless truth.

    That is God.

    So yes it was extremely Godly for God to sacrifice his son for the world, it was the only way to make creation perfect. Remember creation was made FOR Jesus Christ the son, and Humans were made to be his friends…if you truly love something you will die for it. And as Jesus loved his friends he died for us, so that we may die in Him. Do you not see the greatness and intelligence of our lord? It’s amazing.

  18. kc
    June 11, 2009 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Please delete the last post, I came to the website this morning and saw that my posts weren’t up there although I saw them yesterday.

    After I posted I realized they were still up for approval. I misunderstood the posting process and out of believed offense I ranted.

    I apologize for my words of disrespect.

  19. Admin
    June 13, 2009 at 1:23 am | Permalink

    Peace be upon you Kc,

    Your last comment has been deleted as requested. We have to moderate every comment on this blog before it goes public because there are some people who simply come to insult Islam and Muslims here. They are the blind, narrow-minded, hate-mongers.

    Don’t worry about your last comment. Partly it was our fault on not approving them fast enough, for that we apologize too.

    May Allah guide you to the Truth, because everyone has their own way of finding it (for some it takes years).

    Regards, Admin

  20. Kc
    June 18, 2009 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Good News my friends.
    A new source of science has now mathematically proved the existence of God.

    This science called “Theomatics” proves that the Holy Bible untranslated is in fact the written word of God. They have discovered that every single letter (alphabet) in the Hebrew language, when assigned a number…mathematically reveals God’s signature proving the impossibilty of any Human Mind capable of authoring the Holy Bible.

    When using this same scientific method, calculating the letters, phrases, thoughts, and chapters of the Bible reveals revelations and truths to better understand the symbology and messege our Lord has been trying to communicate.

    Not only does it match and scientifically prove every event, word, idea and prophecy of the Holy Bible…guess what? It also proves that Jesus was God in the flesh.

    It proves our end times is not actually going to take place the way we think it will, but it does mathematically show us that God exists and his divine fingerprint and message is truly in the Holy Bible.

    This is a source of information that further solidified my faith 10-folds.

    This information is not doctrine, it is not a way to measure or prove God’s existence…It is a scientific evaluation of the context of the Holy Bible when assigned mathematical values reveals a genius pattern that is so precisely consistent, it is literally impossible to be chance or coincedence.

    This pattern is so Genius that no human could of possibly been capable of Authoring such Genius that spanned accross all 66 original Books of the Holy Bible. (All written by different authors might I add)

    But don’t take my word for it, go look it up yourself and read the book.

    http://www.theomatics.com

    When you see this information and take the time to understand it, you can do nothing but praise The Lord and marvel at his infinite abilities.

    I no longer need to come to this site and argue based on faith, I now have faith and fact…If anyone wants to argue their religion, please read the information on this site first then come argue.

    God Bless and Amen

  21. Fadi Al-Mufti
    June 20, 2009 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Wow, Mc, that was amazing!

    It’s amazing what you people could do to “prove” your dogma.

    Well, if that is your “good news”, Mc, here’s the bad news:

    http://www.apollowebworks.com/atheism/theomatics.html

    And one last note, before I go:

    We, Muslims believe that the Torah, Psalms, Gospel, were correct/accurate AT the time of their revelation.

    We definitely DO NOT believe that they remained correct and accurate.

    On the contrary, we are told by God Almighty that the texts were corrupted by the Rabbis and Priests to fit their own ends.

    Once again, I ask you to refer to Bart D. Ehrman’s “Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why”.

    I also ask you to answer this question once again, why is it so that so many priests, preachers, ministers, bishops, etc. leave Christianity for Islam when they become knowledgable of the Christianity’s and the Bible’s history?

  22. kc
    June 21, 2009 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Sorry Fadi you can’t say so many christians are leaving and Joining Islam as a basis of truth in your doctrine.

    If you want to go there, then do some research, there’s a record changing number of Muslims converting to Christian in the Middle East as we speak.

    And on another note…How come there is no documented or case of ANY person dying then coming back to life saying Muhamed is real or Allah is real.

    EVERY SINGLE CASE of someone dying and coming back to life whether they are Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic…ect…. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS end up confessing seeing Jesus and the Father.

    I did an extensive search on trying to find a Muslim who had a NDE and found Allah with Muhamed…and after hours of searching I have not found one. And yet I’ve found countless people who were non-believers who ended up meeting Jesus in the after life.

    A lot of them are Muslims BTW. I heard a story of a Man who had a dream that Muhamed could not look Jesus in the eye.

    It was interpreted that Jesus is greater than Muhamed.

    I’m going to post some links, I want you to watch them…and afterwards please provide counter videos where people have gone to the afterlife and saw anyone besides Jesus.

    African Muslim raised from the dead.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LcrdJfBipk

    This converted christian says Muhamed is not in heaven only Jesus and the father…watch.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NwMGTPnjho

    Pakistani Muslim woman converted to Christ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4×4qchBBGg

    Young Muslim man converted christian and his story.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmxwrgbbCec

    6 million African muslims convert to Christianity every Year… (Which goes against your belief that a few christians convert to islam, that may be true but it’s because they were deceived) But for this amount to convert, it easily points where the truth lies.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdVnILalpeo

    This non-believer saw Jesus Christ and converted.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVJQz4I67Mo

    I mean I can continue with so much, all I ask is that you provide at least 2 videos of any encounter with Muhamed or Allah whether from dying or visions and I will give you some credit…but I doubt you’ll be able to find anything because Muhammed was not a real prophet of God. I don’t mean that as disrespect but I can also post a video with proof showing that the Vatican used Muhammed to create the Qu’ran because they knew the status of his Grandfather.

    Fadi check these videos out, I don’t need to convert you to Christianity, Jesus can do that himself. It doesn’t go against your faith, all you have to do is kneel down and pray to Allah. And ask him who and what is the identity of Jesus Christ. Be open hearted and honest and be willing to accept him if God is willing to reveal. If you ask with a hardened heart he will not show you. If you ask with an open heart in humility to know the truth he will reveal.

    Fadi I have 1 more question…Can you read and interpret Hebrew?

  23. Fadi Al-Mufti
    June 22, 2009 at 4:49 am | Permalink

    I give up, Mc.

    One video and a one minute of the next was enough to convince me…

    …that you’re a hopeless case.

    Suit yourself, Mc.

    Meet you on the other side of the life/death barrier,

    Fadi

  24. Fadi Al-Mufti
    June 22, 2009 at 6:29 am | Permalink

    OK, I’ll make this one last comment:

    Mc, you believe that “every event, word, idea and prophecy of the Holy Bible” is true, right?

    So what do you say then about the Biblical stories of Samson sleeping with a whore, of David devising a way to take away Uriah’s wife, of Lot’s two daughters getting him drunk and sleeping with him?

    Are these your perceptions of God’s prophets? Of God’s mouthpieces?

    Are these your perceptions of humanity’s role models?

    The Noble Qur’an has no such indecent accounts.

    And last but not least… what do you say then about the Biblical story of Jacob wrestling with God to force him to bless him?

    Oh, by the way, was it the “Father” (the Lord/Creator of the heavens and the Earth) that Jacob wrestled with, or was it some other “avatar” of the egg-like, ice-water-vapour-like triune god?

    Of course, knowing how obstinate you are, you’ll most likely come back to us with another of your “intimidating”, “fact-packed”, challenges.

    For me, this is - God willing - the last comment.

    Mc, if you’re a genuine person, and you’re genuinely calling me to what you believe is the road to salvation, I whole-heartedly thank you for it and appreciate your effort.

    However, I doubt that that is the case,

    Ta-ta!

    Fadi

  25. Kc
    June 23, 2009 at 3:12 am | Permalink

    Fadi, can you speak, read, and translate Hebrew?

  26. Kc
    June 30, 2009 at 4:02 am | Permalink

    It seems Fadi has given up faith. The Word of God tells us that no man can enter the kingdom of God of his own work, lest he boast before our eternal God. Salvation is given by grace and grace alone through the faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. For he did not come from Heaven to condemn this world, he came so that through his blood all might be saved.

    Our Lord Jesus tells us that if you praise the father you praise the son, if you praise the son you praise the father. Satan would never share glory with God, he wishes to steal it. Our Lord Jesus Christ tells us that A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand lest it be destroyed. So if any among you claims Glory from the father and not with the Father (exalting all honor to him)…you know that person or false prophet to be the face of Evil.

    I love people, and all people. I’m not here to bash Islam, i’m not hear to ridicule or fight. I am simply here as a messenger of God to spread his world. Our Lord Jesus Christ cannot come back till his Word is preached to all the 4 corners of this earth.

    I no longer have to believe in God or Jesus Christ for I now know. I know they are real, and I am a witness to the Holy Spirit that dwells within me. I have accomplished, done, said, and acted in ways that have always been foreign to me, but through the Holy Spirit I know they are true, real, and of God.

    My Messege to you all is that God does not hate us, nor does he have deteste for us, nor does he want to punish us as his children. Our Lord God loves us, and looks upon each and everyone one of us even more so than the most loving parent could ever look upon their child. He sacrificed his only begotten Son, whom being from his Bosom is He Himself, to prove to us that we should not be distant or desperate in our works to please him. He sacrificed his Son to show us that he loves us, and the only way we can come to him is only in truth, honestly, and Love.

    Rituals and specific practices, and religion itself is not what God wants for us in these times. He only wants our love and acknowledgement that he is our Father. He wants us to see that no creature in the universe was made as closely resembled to his own Likeness, so that we ourselves are gods amongst all things.

    The only thing I want to ask you is, are you at peace with God? If you are not, I pray you get on your knees, and pray to God (Allah) and ask him who the identity of Jesus Christ is.

    God Bless you all and may you find the peace and love from our eternal Father, through the Son Jesus Christ.

  27. Kc
    June 30, 2009 at 4:04 am | Permalink

    And Fadi, the same way you cannot see the truth is almost like the same way you don’t realize that my name is, and has been KC, but you’ve been calling me MC. This is the same manner in which you are blinded from the truth.

  28. shafeekah
    July 16, 2009 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    your account was very well written..however, i was abit dismayed towards the end… i really was looking forward to a more thorough explanation as to why you found the sufi path more convincing… you just cited some scholars.. i thought it a rather abrupt ending which is a shame..if you could please get back to me on this.. i would be happy.

  29. Kc
    July 21, 2009 at 1:24 am | Permalink

    Shafeekah, that is all I am asking. Is not for someone to blindly disagree and ridicule my statements without and logic behind thier disapproval as Fadi has been doing.

    I’m here to discuss the issues with open minded individuals at the risk of my own faith, for I am willing to see the truth if it not be the christian path.

    I’m glad you would like an elaboration so I will give you a logical one, then a faithful one.

    I’d like to start out by saying, God stands at the door of your soul, you can only hear his knock, but you will not see him or hear his words unless you open the door. Therefore if you don’t open your mind and heart to the possibilities, you will rationalize the truth before you even get to see it.
    So before I speak, Don’t stand against my words until you take the chance and time to understand them.

    **Logical Understanding

    The one and only father, architect, and creator of all things is Perfect. Since he is perfect, everything he says or does is perfect.

    The only thing God cannot do is create something as perfect as himself, because if he could create a being equal but seperate from himself, he would not be God.

    So for creation to be a perfect creation of God, it has to be Imperfect, meaning it has to have flaws.

    Well some would think, how can something be perfect if it has flaws? The answer is…atonement.

    If something has flaws, a way for atonement would cancel out the flaw, therefore leaving the “item” or creation to be neutral or perfect without being God Perfect.

    You see God has always and will be perfect, us as creation are MADE perfect through atonement.

    Well the question an Atheist may have, for that statement, would be…Is it fair or righteous for God to create us imperfect then punish us for that imperfection?

    The answer is No.

    It is not righteous for God to create us imperfectly, then punish us for it.

    Because through is Sovereignty, he is not responsible for us sinning, but he is responsible for ALLOWING us to sin…for he gave us the capability to do so.

    So in the end, God is responsible for our mistakes but at the same time we are responsible. (Paradox)

    So the only way to make us perfect is through atonement.

    It is neither righteous to atone for something that is not technically our fault, for God made us this way.

    So in understanding this, he merged himself with humanity, and lowered himself and his authority (humbled himself as written in the bible) to become Man. So that he may experience life from our shoes…and even condemn HIMSELF to the same fate he condemned sinners; which is death.

    By doing this it created a form of atonement,
    So logically, it’s a way of God creating perfect atonement for his creation, by suffering his perfect mistake of making us flawed, and holding himself responsible.

    That way, since he made himself responsible and suffered the mistake by being put to death in human form (a condemnation of all sinners in which he’s not) we now have perfect and infinite atonement, by believing he did this for us and suffering the trials of belief in Jesus, as he suffered the trials of man.

    (So as Jesus was on the cross and took the sin of the world unto himself, God sees us (You and Me) on the cross dying in our sin, and when God looks upon us as christians, he see’s Jesus Christ. Amen)

    It’s a 2 way street, God corrected his perfect mistake (that had to be a mistake for creation since we couldn’t of been perfect as he is). And on the same hand, we needed to correct our sinful nature through belief of the cross by being born again, of the spirit not the flesh).

    ***Question: WHY???

    Because he loves us. When you love someone, you are willing to lay your life down for your friend. Think about your mother and father, or your children?

    If someone held a gun to your parents head, if you love them you’d ask the attacker to kill you instead so that they may live. If someone held a gun to your head, your parents would ask the attacker to kill them instead.

    Our father in heaven, manifested himself as God the Son, and merged himself with his creation and became Human. He suffered life as we do, and died on the cross to create atonement for his perfect mistake of allowing us to sin, and our imperfect mistake of actually sinning.

    All to show us that he loves us.

    And in turn we are to love him and prove it by dying by and for the faith. (Dying physically and spiritually, as in our sinful spiritual nature)

    The torah predicted a coming Messiah during specific times and rules of specific kingdoms. Jesus fit those times, and claimed his deity. You can tell he claimed to be God the Son (he never claimed to be God the Father) by the reactions of the crowds anytime he made those statements…plenty of times they picked up stones to stone him for it.

    So if the Jews are waiting on a new messiah, the deadline has already passed according to the Torah.

    In writing this, I realize there is no need for a faithful explaination, for you need faith to understand it. And I feel confortable that this logically explaination is enough.

    Islamic salvation comes through your Good works outweighing your bad works, then through that grace is given.

    I cannot agree to that for a Man will boast in the face of God and argue that he’s done more Good that Bad. Even if he is shown that not to be true, who can measure good and bad works but God alone?
    In the end you can only HOPE for salvation. You truly couldn’t *earn* it.

    For example…you can save someone’s life…then find out they were trying to commit suicide and 1 week later they succeed. You may think that was a very large good work, when in fact it was nothing.

    Then you may kill a man by accident, and think of it as a bad work, but then you find out this man was a serial murdered and you just prevented hundreds of murders and it turned out to be a good work.

    So what works can a man even perceive as good or bad? Only God can measure that and define that…so regardless what you do, God has predetermined your salvation if it were based on works.

    I say that because if it were based on works alone, God could have made it to where anything you did turned out to be Good for the world, regardless if it were sin as good or evil by individuals.

    But faithfully I take the stance that no man can and should boast in the presence of God based on his works.

    Salvation is gained by grace through faith, and through faith comes works.

    If you believe in christ, through the renewal of your heart you do Good works not to earn your salvation, you do it because you love God.

    If you work for salvation, it’s not because you love God, it’s because you want your salvation and 200 Virgins as some believe. Isn’t that lust and vanity?

    Anyways I can talk forever on the logics behind this…If you still don’t believe me, don’t look to me for answers…your lord is waiting for any question you have. Kneel down, close your eyes, open your heart, and pray to the Father of all things and ask him who Jesus Christ is.

    I guarantee if you do it with an open heart, he will reveal him to you.
    Amen

  30. Kc
    July 21, 2009 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    I’d like to add something as well, there were a lot of syntax errors in the last post so it may be difficult to read but…

    Human Beings cannot trully perceive Good and Evil.
    Good and Evil are personalized for each individual for growth. But on a grand scale we cannot see the true outcome of anything we do.

    Evil is different from Sin.
    Our Sovereign God, is Good in nature, but his wrath to humans is perceived as Evil.

    The only difference between God’s Evil and Man’s Evil, is God’s Evil is righteous, while man’s evil is usually Unrighteous (there for it is Sin).

    The emphasis on this is that, we cannot possible do anything Good on our own accord, all Good comes from God. So when you work for your salvation the emphasis is on what YOU CAN DO.

    While christianity’s emphasis is on what GOD CAN DO through YOU.

    Amen.

  31. Kc
    July 21, 2009 at 1:44 am | Permalink

    Moses wasn’t righteous of himself, everything he did was an instruction from God, to lead the people to their earthly salvation.

    This is the difference. One emphasizes faith in God, the other emphasizes Works from Man.

    Both focus on God, but one puts trust in God.

  32. Kc
    July 21, 2009 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    Fadi Al-Mufti
    June 22, 2009 at 6:29 am | Permalink
    OK, I’ll make this one last comment:

    Mc, you believe that “every event, word, idea and prophecy of the Holy Bible” is true, right?

    So what do you say then about the Biblical stories of Samson sleeping with a whore, of David devising a way to take away Uriah’s wife, of Lot’s two daughters getting him drunk and sleeping with him?

    Are these your perceptions of God’s prophets? Of God’s mouthpieces?

    Are these your perceptions of humanity’s role models?

    ———————————————

    Do you think God would make righteous Men as examples so that we follow Men, when all men are Unrighteous. Or do you think God prefer we Follow Him?

    Did God not punish Lot with the destruction of his kingdom? Did God not punish Solomon ( I believe) so that most of his kingdom would be destroyed, while keeping the hand of God in David’s lineage as promised to David?

    God has shown us in these stories how Man continually lets God down, and yet God continually honors his pormises and quickly forgives any who repents. These are not examples of Men as role models.

    These are exmaples of God.

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